To: skinowski who wrote (116182 ) 10/4/2003 11:51:57 PM From: Jacob Snyder Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 281500 Both sides see this as a defensive war, and have sold their supportive civilian populations on this idea. Israel and the U.S. are like a hand attached to a body. We have supported them so consistently, for so long, we have become totally identified with them. Every assassination, every new Israeli settlement, every shooting at a roadblock in Samaria, everything Israel has done to the Palestinians for 100 years, is considered an act of aggression, for which America is responsible. That's the way it's seen, by 95% majorities, throughout the Muslim world. How many soldiers does Iraq and Afghanistan have in the U.S.? None. How many soldiers from Muslim nations are occupying how many Christian nations? None. How many nations does the U.S. have our soldiers in? Over 120. We've been sending our soldiers into Muslim nations, since Jefferson's "police action" against Tripoli in 1801. Yes, they killed 3000 at the WTC. We have killed several times that many, just since 9/11. We don't "turn the other cheek", we don't do "an eye for an eye". It's more like 5 or 10 dead Others, for each one of our dead. A Hindu nation occupies Muslim Kashmir, a Christian nation occupies Muslim Chechnya, a Jewish nation occupies Muslim Palestine, and the Christian Hegemon has soldiers fighting Muslims from the Phillipines to Afghanistan to Iraq. From a Muslim viewpoint, America's posture doesn't look defensive, and never has. If you believe "All we really want is to be left alone", then you simply don't know the history of your own country. We are, by a wide margin, the Empire that has the most Global Reach, the most ability and willingness to violate other nation's sovereignty. The Mongol and British and Roman Empires didn't even come close to what we do. The hatred against us, in the Muslim world, didn't appear out of nowhere. We put the Shah in power, after destroying the elected government of Iran. We supported the Baathist party, when they were first coming to power in Iraq. We supported Saddam, when he was gassing Kurds. Our CIA, along with the Pakistanis, resurrected the idea of Jihad, sold it through the Muslim world, organized and armed the groups that evolved into Al Queda and Taliban. What we are fighting, today, are our own Frankenstein creations.