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To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (470934)10/4/2003 1:40:57 PM
From: Hope Praytochange  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667
 
Serbia Will Send Troops and Police to Afghanistan
By ELAINE SCIOLINO

ELGRADE, Oct. 3 — The United States has accepted an offer by Serbia and Montenegro to send up to 1,000 combat troops and police officers to Afghanistan to join American forces there, senior Serbian officials and foreign diplomats said today.

The Serbian-Montenegrin force, which will have to be trained to function under American operational command, will be based in the Kandahar region near the Pakistani border, the officials said. The troops are expected to be ready for deployment by March. Afghan officials have not reacted to the plan so far.

Boris Tadic, the defense minister of Serbia and Montenegro, said at a news conference today that Liberia, Iraq and Afghanistan were discussed as possible destinations for Serbian troops and that "it is more likely that Afghanistan is the potential destination."

The deployment will be highly unusual. It raises the question of whether it will include Serbian troops or officers who may have been involved in committing atrocities against Muslims in either the war in Bosnia in the early 1990's or the more recent conflict in Kosovo. Officials said the United States military intended to vet all soldiers and police officers in the all-volunteer force.

In addition, the possibility that Serbian troops, who battled Muslims in Bosnia and in Kosovo in the Balkan wars of the 1990's, could be involved in combat operations against Muslims and in antiterrorist operations against members and supporters of Al Qaeda might be seen by both Muslims and non-Muslims as undesirable.

Finally, the Serbs were bombed for nearly three months by American forces in NATO's conflict with the then Yugoslavia over Kosovo in 1999 — and now they will be serving side by side with Americans.

Carla Del Ponte, the chief prosecutor at the United Nations war crimes tribunal in The Hague, was in Belgrade on Friday, reiterating previous demands that Serbia do more to cooperate in bringing war criminals to justice at the court. She insisted once again that one of the leading fugitives, the former Bosnian Serb military commander Gen. Ratko Mladic, was in Serbia.

Since Slobodan Milosevic, who is now on trial in The Hague, was ousted three years ago as Serbia's leader, the country's new rulers have sought ways to cooperate with Washington. Like leaders of other former Communist countries seeking acceptance by the West, they are keenly aware of the American need for troops in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

"I support the idea that our soldiers and the police force become a part of the military contingent in Afghanistan," the Serbian deputy prime minister, Nebojsa Covic, said in an interview with foreign journalists traveling in the Balkans with Richard C. Holbrooke, assistant secretary of state for European affairs under President Clinton. "I think it is a good thing to build up cooperation on a military level after so many years of misunderstandings, conflicts and confrontations. As you know, our soldiers and police forces have experience in fighting terrorism, and I hope that the allied forces can benefit from that experience."

The approval of NATO is not necessary for the deployment, since it would be part of the American-run postwar military operation in Afghanistan, not the NATO-led forces keeping the peace in Kabul.

Prime Minister Zoran Zivkovic of Serbia and Foreign Minister Goran Svilanovic of the federation of Serbia and Montenegro first made the offer to send peacekeeping troops to Condoleezza Rice, the White House national security adviser, and Secretary of State Colin L. Powell during a visit to Washington two months ago.

One official familiar with the offer said it came "out of the blue."

The United States Central Command, which is responsible for American military participation in Afghanistan, swiftly approved the proposal, but told the Serbs that the United States wanted infantry troops rather than lightly armed peacekeepers.

The American thinking was that the need for combat troops ready to take casualties in Afghanistan overrode political considerations about the wisdom of such a mission, and that in any case, the Serbs would probably be on their best behavior, officials indicated.

About two weeks ago, a delegation from the army and the gendarmerie, or national police force, visited the United States for what Mr. Tadic said today were "technical discussions in connection with possible participation" in a foreign mission.

Other officials said that the areas of responsibility and reporting channels were defined and that a Serbian liaison officer had been based at the Central Command headquarters in Florida. An American mission will travel to Belgrade shortly to assess the level of training and equipment of the troops and police officers, these officials said.

Mr. Tadic stressed, however, that the final decision to send troops had to be formally approved by the Defense Council, the Council of Ministers and the joint Parliament of Serbia and Montenegro. He is also said to be concerned that he might have to take highly trained troops out of southern Serbia, close to Kosovo, which since the 1999 war has been run by the United Nations and patrolled by foreign peacekeepers, to send them to Afghanistan.

According to press reports here, the Serbs originally proposed that Gen. Goran Radosavljevic, chief of the gendarmerie, head the Serb contingent.

But the general led teams against armed Albanians during the Kosovo war, and a number of human rights groups have charged that those Serbian teams committed atrocities against civilians. Human Rights Watch contends that members of these teams killed 41 ethnic Albanians in May 1999.

Officials familiar with the negotiations on the Serbian force insist that a commander like General Radosavljevic would be unacceptable, and that no decisions have been made on who will join or lead the Serb contingent.



To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (470934)10/4/2003 6:11:07 PM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 769667
 
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To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (470934)10/5/2003 12:25:24 AM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667
 
A Missing Statistic: U.S. Jobs That Went Overseas
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By LOUIS UCHITELLE
The New York Times
October 5, 2003
nytimes.com

The job market finally showed some life in September, but not enough to sidetrack a growing debate over why employment has failed to rebound nearly two years after the last recession ended. The debate intrudes increasingly on election politics, but in all the heated back and forth, an essential statistic is missing: the number of jobs that would exist in the United States today if so many had not escaped abroad.

The Labor Department, in its numerous surveys of employers and employees, has never tried to calculate this trade-off. But the "offshoring" of work has become so noticeable lately that experts in the private sector are now trying to quantify it.

By these initial estimates, at least 15 percent of the 2.81 million jobs lost in America since the decline began have reappeared overseas. Productivity improvements at home — sustaining output with fewer workers — account for the great bulk of the job loss. But the estimates being made suggest that the work sent overseas has been enough to raise the unemployment rate by four-tenths of a percentage point or more, to the present 6.1 percent.

That leakage fuels the political debate. The Bush administration is pushing the Chinese to allow their currency to rise in value, thus increasing the dollar value of wages in that country, a deterrent to locating work abroad. The Democrats agree, but some also call for trade restrictions, and they attack Republicans for cutting from the budget funds to retrain and support laid-off workers in the United States.

While most of the lost jobs are in manufacturing or in telephone call centers, lately the work sent abroad has climbed way up the skills ladder to include workers like aeronautical engineers, software designers and stock analysts as China, Russia and India, with big stocks of educated workers, merge rapidly into the global labor market.

"All of a sudden you have a huge influx of skilled people; that is a very disruptive process," said Craig R. Barrett, chief executive of Intel, the computer chip manufacturer.

Intel itself has maintained a fairly steady 60 percent of its employees in the United States. But in the past year or so, it has added 1,000 software engineers in China and India, doing work that in the past might have been done by people hired in the United States. "To be competitive, we have to move up the skill chain overseas," Mr. Barrett said.

The trade-off in jobs is not one for one. The work done here by one person often requires two or three less-efficient workers overseas. Even so, given the very low wages, the total saving for an American company can be as much 50 percent for each job shifted, even allowing for the extra cost of transportation, communication and other expenses that would not be needed if the work was done in the United States. That is the message of the nation's management consultants, who are encouraging their corporate clients to take advantage of the multiplying opportunities overseas.

" `Encourage' is a difficult way to put it," said Harold Sirkin, a senior vice president at the Boston Consulting Group. "What we are basically saying is that if your competitors are doing this, you will be at a disadvantage if you don't do it too."

The estimates of job loss from offshoring are all over the lot. They are back-of-the-envelope calculations at best, inferred from trade data and assumptions about the number of American workers needed to produce goods and services now coming from abroad, or no longer exported to a growing consumer market in, say, China.

Among economists and researchers, the high-end estimate comes from Mark Zandi, chief economist at Economy.com, who calculates that 995,000 jobs have been lost overseas since the last recession began in March 2001. That is 35 percent of the total decline in employment since then. While most of the loss is in manufacturing, about 15 percent is among college-trained professionals.

Boeing, for example, employs engineers at a design center in Moscow, while having shrunk its engineering staff in Seattle. Morgan Stanley, the investment firm, is adding jobs in Bombay, but not in New York — employing Indian engineers as well as analysts who collect corporate data and scrutinize balance sheets for stock market specialists in New York.

Near the low end of the job-loss estimates sit John McCarthy, research analyst at Forrester Research Inc., and Nariman Behravesh, chief economist at Global Insights. For them the loss is 500,000 to 600,000 jobs over the past 30 months, again mostly in manufacturing — with Mr. McCarthy suggesting that the 600,000 might turn out to be 800,000. His research focuses more on the future: Starting in January 2000 and running through 2015, globalization of American production will have eliminated 3.3 million jobs at home, he estimates.

Some are trying niche estimates. Roshi Sood, a government analyst at the Gartner Group, for example, estimates roughly that state government cutbacks have pushed overseas the work of 3,400 people once employed in the United States, either on public payrolls or on the payrolls of companies that contract with state government.

In Indiana, for example, the Department of Workforce Development recently chose an Indian company, TCS America, to maintain and update its computer programs, using high-speed telecommunications to carry out the contract. The TCS bid was $8 million below those submitted by two American competitors, Mr. Sood said.

Now political groups are offering estimates. The Progressive Policy Institute, which is affiliated with the Democratic Party, will soon publish its calculation of manufacturing jobs shifted overseas since George W. Bush took office just before the recession began, said Rob Atkinson, a vice president. Not surprisingly, the estimate — imputed from trade data — is on the high side: 800,000 jobs lost to overseas production.