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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lane3 who wrote (76586)	10/6/2003 1:55:20 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

"Not one woman reported a sexually-charged experience." I could ask a dozen people I know and get the opposite report. There is a problem with this kind of reporting. It was addressed in the report I submitted. I will get to that, but let me speculate for a second. When I did my quick internet study I came across some of the stuff you did about State licencing. I also found some stuff about towns that forbid massage therapists to go to the home of a cross gender client. The concern of the town is that they would not be able to monitor when the service was prostitutional vs legitimate therapy. Massage therapists of course dont like that kind of law because it restricts them in what is becoming a very competitive field. They are everywhere. So the tendency is toward a code of silence on the issue. The report I submitted took this into account and asked people if they had ever been involved in sexual contact. The affirmative percentage was small. However, when asked if they knew of other therapists having been involved the percentage shot up to 70%. As you noted that doesn't tell us frequency or total raw numbers but it does say something about the willingness of people to disclose their personal involvement, which is unlikely. I have mentioned before my amusement at watching a tv show. Don’t remember if it was Ricky Lake or Oprah or what but on stage were some studly men bragging about how often they scored. In the audience were a lot of people (women) sniping at them, telling them how disgusting they are, and how not one of them would ever give those jerks the time of day. The jerks on stage just smiled knowingly. The level of denial on this thread, compared to the real world, where people get turned on riding elevators or receiving a package from the UPS guys, is amusing. Whether you can prove that no one is ever or rarely sexualized in a cross gender massage setting (your belief) or whether I can prove that it is quite common (my belief), is not the basis of the debate, in any event. Most people in the modern world would not even attribute harm to such a sexualized event so that even becomes a tangental issue that leads us nowhere.

To: Lane3 who wrote (76586)	10/6/2003 2:20:43 PM
From: The Philosopher	Respond to of 82486

Maybe Mojo and Myrna could open an office together. The receptionist would assign clients to the two therapists based on Mojo's criteria and the clients would never know that they were rejected by Mojo's criteria. Wouldn't work. Not only because Myrna would get sick now and then, but also because inevitably some day Myrna would be fully booked and a couple would come in and the receptionist would have to say we can serve you, sir, but not you, ma'am. Or a woman alone would come in and be denied service even though Mojo had openings. She might not know why she was rejected, but the harm would still be done -- she would be denied service because of her gender. No, the fact is that Mojo just needs to find another line of work. Thre's really no way around it.