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To: Elizabeth Andrews who wrote (21789)	10/7/2003 2:28:09 AM
From: que seria	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39344

OT: Elizabeth--Good riddle. Which nation? My answer: They stop categorizing other humans as infidels. If they could (which they can't, it being a fundamental flaw), there could be an efflorescence of peace and virtue in that now-blighted region. It is a deadly combination of a nation with a religion that has a fundamental flaw and whose resources are under the control of an infidel regime. How does this get resolved? Foreswearing the infidel stamp could solve both problems in time. The fundamental flaw (seeing persons with different beliefs--and particularly Jews--as worthy of death or at least suppression) is historically and very negatively correlated with the actions that have left water resources under control of . . . those same infidels. Of course, Israel has watered the roots of the current hostility. Barbarians' pogroms and the British's dictates didn't justify carving a Jewish state out of land hosting many sets of believers, cultures and historical claims. Neither Muslims nor Jews take the others' transgressions lying down. Their starkly different status in Israel and the West Bank may appear just a function of relative power. However, the roots of that power lie in core religious beliefs about the worth of other humans, and thus about coexisting with them, trading, governing, etc. I don't imply that any of this absolves Israel of responsibility for the predictable consequences of its settlement/apartheid policy, for reasons recently well explained by another poster. I just note the self-destructiveness of Palestinians in the actions of a violent minority and in the expressed beliefs of a great majority. Cessation of murder, appeals to Jewish conscience and the United States, and (failing that) economic sabotage would work far better to restore Palestinian civil rights and even, perhaps, land. Americans have our own counterpart (not analog) of the struggle for just and peaceful co-existence in Palestine. The U.S. nearly came apart in the 1860s, culminating our own crisis of conscience over this nation's barbaric treatment of an entire people. The "justification" for subjugating black people was just as irrational as Muslim cant about Jews and Jewish notions of entitlement to Arab-occupied holy land. Our nation's cancer was visible in our core governing document. Belated but fierce Christian opposition was crucial to abolishing slavery in the U.S. Muslims could learn from this about pathology in one's beliefs. That's admittedly hard when the state of purity among those who would excise the pathology is contributing to its spread. Enough of this OT; you baited me! I assume you didn't mean something as simple as the infidels using interest and thus enjoying various degrees of capitalist dynamism as a path out of poverty. That's not fundamental, it's consequential. Core beliefs and attitudes determine your openness to the world around you, and are fundamental.