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To: Bilow who wrote (116308)	10/6/2003 11:12:00 PM
From: stockman_scott	Respond to of 281500

Is Bush losing the U.S. public? electroniciraq.net

To: Bilow who wrote (116308)	10/6/2003 11:38:05 PM
From: stockman_scott	Respond to of 281500

Read what General Wesley Clark had to say earlier this year when he gave the Carnegie Council on Ethics and International Affair’s annual Morgenthau lecture... carnegiecouncil.org

To: Bilow who wrote (116308)	10/7/2003 5:38:14 AM
From: unclewest	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

The Kent State shootings polarized this country. No they didn't. They were the result of a pre-existing condition. The 82nd and 101st Airborne Divisions were deployed repeatedly in the years prior to Kent State to control domestic violence. The polarized demonstrating was already going on and it was well organized...Do you recall the Berkeley action in 1969 and the demonstration over People's Park. There the students calmed tensions by placing flowers in the gun barrels of the soldiers. Kent State was quite different. The Kent State deaths were the result of great fear and pre-existing polarization. The fear covered a wide range and deserves separate attention. Briefly, the fear covered the gamut from fear of failure of the "Great Society", to fear of the war, to fear of personal responsibility and culpability. The Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC) developed its "militant identity" in 1961. Many feared them. SDS, Black Panthers and many other violence oriented groups had already developed extensive campus followings...many feared them. Even the Kent State ROTC Students and National Guardsmen knew fear. The campus ROTC building (which was being used by both) had been set ablaze 2 days before the demonstration. The Kent State shootings were an unfortunate end to several years of heightened intolerance and confusion within several campus movements. During those same years this country was in the grip of generational division, racial hatred, and class hostility. The 60s were not about, "Make love, not war" You are wrong Bilow. Kent State did not polarize America. Kent State first provided a venue for great expressions of grief. The grief covered all the areas of fearfulness. Second, Kent State marked the beginning of real progressive change. Change that was difficult at first, but change that provided an enormous lift to our country. It wasn't easy...a dishonest president had to be forced out. An unpopular war had to be ended. Young adults had to be convinced that church, family, work and school are more important values than pot smoking. Yet all of that was accomplished shortly after the Kent State shootings. These were all unifying actions. Kent State did not mark the beginning of the polarization of America. Kent State marked the end of the polarization of the 60s movements. uw