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To: one_less who wrote (76696)10/6/2003 10:28:30 PM
From: Solon  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 82486
 
"There is a saying, attributed to Jesus, that goes something like this: If you look on a woman with lust in your heart, then you have committed adultery."

So if your discrimination was for the benefit of the therapist why didn't you say so instead of leading us down this dishourable goose chase? The statistics you yammered on about were about potential for harm from some disreputable THERAPISTS...not from the client. If you are sending the client away because of some Jesus belief (or similar) then it changes the entire framework of our discussion. What will it be next?? :-)

"However, If mojo and others, with his belief system, identify harm as the unintended turn on, serious at or near the level Jesus described, do they not have the right of conscience to have services that are sensitive to their belief, by someone of a similar view point"

OH! THis is about the needs of the therapist and HIS "services". Miller Time!

"Solon, being the exception, is still adding his reversions, judgments about his reversions"

Funny...you said you weren't reading my posts! Why you cute little Fibber McGee!



To: one_less who wrote (76696)10/7/2003 12:12:56 PM
From: Neocon  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 82486
 
One would have to adduce either a religious or a philosophic basis for considering unwanted sexual arousal as being an intrinsic impurity, and constituting a vivid harm. The religious basis having been disavowed, we have to examine it as a philosophical proposition. Now, that puts us on a natural law basis, with respect of allegations of impropriety, since there is no standard higher than nature. In other words, even if the ability to be aroused in inappropriate situations constitutes a weakness, it is a weakness that we are not able to transcend, but must live with as part of our nature. Therefore, by itself, it cannot be considered an evil that we are blameworthy for being subject to, in itself. On the other hand, normal moral formation should instill sufficient discipline not to act on such impulses, when it is wrong or inconvenient to do so. Certainly, few people are so attractive that we could make a reasonable claim to have no self- control, or expect them to invoke such a claim. Furthermore, there are checks that may be employed, such as having a clinical environment with a receptionist on the other side of the door. Thus, there is no reason on a naturalistic basis to have scruples about the occasional matter of unwanted arousal, or to feel in inordinate danger of something developing as a result.

The thing is that one must discriminate between a strong sentiment about something, and a position of conscience. We cannot exempt people from things just because they disagree. There is a level of persuasiveness that must be achieved that the position is derived from the formation of conscience, either by a religious tradition or by a coherent philosophical worldview.........