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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lane3 who wrote (76715)	10/7/2003 7:46:02 AM
From: Solon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

"So we have the harm to Mojo of potentially experiencing lust in his heart weighed against the harm to others of his discrimination" He could have just said that. Sheesh! It is an Islamic religious belief that extramarital sex is illegal and so is participating in any situation which might stir up sexual thoughts and thus might lead to sex. Why couldn't he have just said that he had a religious scruple about touching the skin of a woman other than his wife, and a scruple against touching a homosexual because they are impure or evil--or whatever his mind has wrapped itself around for that one? Presumably, the lust argument is only for women, but who knows? "When I was trying to make the point to Jewel yesterday that the least-harm approach would be for Mojo to massage the most vulnerable clients, the women, as many as he can, to protect them from the less ethical masseurs to whom they would otherwise go, I was stunned that he couldn't get the simple logic of that." Simple logic indeed, until we throw in the premise that touching a woman contaminates his purity in some way. And with his incredible concern for homosexuals it could be like a gay parade leading up to his clinic for wonderful massages without risk of harm! So his whole thing was a farce? It had nothing to do with harm to the client? The clients only were at minimal risk with other therapists--none at all with MOHO the Upright. Yes, this goose chase did last a month, didn't it? I really feel used and angry! I guess I will go get a massage and get "invigorated", as Jewels calls it! :-)

To: Lane3 who wrote (76715)	10/7/2003 10:37:12 AM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Well, it's decision day in California. Care to make any predictions?

To: Lane3 who wrote (76715)	10/7/2003 11:47:08 AM
From: one_less	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

"So we have the harm to Mojo of potentially experiencing lust in his heart weighed against the harm to others of his discrimination. After a long list of attempts to create something pathetic, instead of seeking understanding of what is actually there, that is not there, this is one more attempt. This is not as solonistic as what solon does but definitely a disciples yearnings. Distractions: No you still don't have it. But that is mostly because you and yours have tried so hard to "make something out of it that isn't there" or reduce it to something that it isn't but qualifies you hate for unreasoned hate for mojo, as you are doing again in this post. The distractions were not of my making. I was challenged by you and others who insisted that the thought of harm being done in this profession was simply the idea of a sexually hung up, peurile, fanatic. I assumed it would be taken for granted that it is not only common for people to become sexualized during an encounter with a masseus (after all a whole industry of prostitution has sprung up on the coat tails) but that specific harm from such had been documented. I was kind of surprised that the lights seem to have been turned out on this area but after looking it over I can see why. This distraction was entirely pushed by you and yours. Far be it for me not to respond to your questions/allegations...sheesh what hypocrites. Then there is chris ever on his soap box of irrelevant anti-discrimination causes shouting over the top of the scenario with rah rah's from karen, solon et al. The irrelevance of all of that had to be flushed out. Then there is solon's reversioning that you seem particularly fond. It spins without any regard to the actual dialogue going on, or the actual factors of the scenario. Then there is all of the personal character assasinating posts that are unfounded but attempt to associate mojo with a particular type of heinous despot and so assume some aspects to his thinking and attitude (that come only from you and not anything that naturally springs from the mojo scenario) that qualifies him for your hatred. You and solon are particularly invested in this distraction. You are still trying very hard to find an evil mojo and so you are still unwilling to seek understanding of your oppositions POV. You will likely never get it, which is too bad.