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To: steve kammerer who wrote (70685)	10/9/2003 8:46:10 AM
From: Fred Levine	Respond to of 70976

Certainly Iraq has good people also. That is why I referred to Saddam rather than Iraq. Do you think there is any relevence that the PLO charter required the elimination of Israel, and that terror was the mechanism for elimination or do you think the claims you made were entirely out of Israel's malevolence? The committment of Hamas to the destruction of Israel seems not to be in your context of Israeli policy. Why is there great concern by Israeli Arabs in Jerusalem that they would be the losers if E. Jerusalem went to Palestine? If your innocent civilians were killed by the policy of terrorists, would you have warm fuzzy feelings towards them? I assume you recognize that killings civilians is not Israeli policy. Having said that, I am appalled by the intransigence and the limits of both Sharon and Arafat. Much like N Ireland, sadly, I think that a point of glaring futility must be recognized before any progress occurs. Also-- I have an apartment next to the 9/11 temporary morgue. It is still active. In my mind is that the people responsible for 9/11 would have killed even more innocents if they could. Even tho I don't agree with Bush, I know that thought is in his mind also. When Israelis hear, repeatedly, that there will be no solution until Israel is driven to the sea, I can understand that negotiations seem futile. When these fanatics are curbed by responsible Palestinians, things will change. fred

To: steve kammerer who wrote (70685)	10/10/2003 11:28:05 AM
From: Fred Levine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 70976

>>(Israel)They were happy for the UN to take pity and vote them a country., Obnoxious for complaining right off the back that they didn't get enough land. Obnoxous for having a plan to remove the existing inhabitants by killing, fear and intimidation because there were too many of them. Obnoxious for assasinating the UN peacekeeper who comes to try and stop the initial fighting.<< I just reread your post and want to check my memory against yours. My memory was that Israel accepted the UN division in '48 but that seven Arab states declared war. When Israel gained a cease fire by defeating the Arab states, the boundries of Israel were expanded. fred