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To: American Spirit who wrote (473318)10/8/2003 10:58:45 PM
From: CYBERKEN  Respond to of 769670
 
<<but has otherwise tried to be as fair as they could be.>>

ROFLMAO!!! That's about as fair as THEY can be...



To: American Spirit who wrote (473318)10/8/2003 11:06:08 PM
From: Hope Praytochange  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769670
 
<<The energy crisis, the state budget deficit, Davis's relentless fundraising, his kowtowing to big donors such as the prison guards union and Indian gaming, raising state college tuition and the tripling of the car tax -- all those things helped a Republican-hatched recall effort grow into the mass movement of angry voters that forced Davis from office 11 months after he was reelected to his second term. But so, too, the conventional wisdom goes, did Davis's personality.>>

washingtonpost.com
Little Fanfare, Few Fans for Ousted Davis
Resounding Defeat Tied to Governor's Lack Of Loyal Constituency

By Evelyn Nieves
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, October 9, 2003; Page A17

LOS ANGELES, Oct. 8 -- Gray Davis stayed home Wednesday. On the day after, he let other politicians handle the whys and wherefores and what's nexts and cocooned himself in his West Hollywood condominium with his family, the first governor to be removed from office in California history.

By midnight on Saturday, under state law, he will have to sign or veto 250 bills sitting on his desk. Staff members said he would do some of the work on those Wednesday. "But I'm not sure when he'll be back in Sacramento," said Steve Maviglio, Davis's press secretary. "Soon, I imagine."

Everyone near him was giving the governor plenty of room to mourn.

Defeat happened sooner and uglier than anyone in the "No on the Recall" campaign had imagined. True, throughout the weird nine-week campaign, the recall side had always had the edge. But some of the polls over the last week predicted it would be close. Instead, it was a blowout. Tuesday night, campaign aides privately confessed that as the dismal exit polls began to pour in by mid-afternoon, hours before the polls closed at 8 p.m., they had stopped hoping for a win and set their sights on a decent, close loss.

If Davis was shocked, after a 30-year career in politics without losing a single election until now, he hasn't said so. But more than once during the brief campaign season, he would tell a crowd: "Why would anyone want to recall me?"

The energy crisis, the state budget deficit, Davis's relentless fundraising, his kowtowing to big donors such as the prison guards union and Indian gaming, raising state college tuition and the tripling of the car tax -- all those things helped a Republican-hatched recall effort grow into the mass movement of angry voters that forced Davis from office 11 months after he was reelected to his second term. But so, too, the conventional wisdom goes, did Davis's personality.

"He was really unable to connect with people," said State Sen. Sheila Kuehl of Santa Monica on Tuesday night at Davis election headquarters here at the Millennium Biltmore Hotel. She added what became the Democrats' mantra Wednesday: "This was not about the Democratic Party, after all, this was about one man."

Davis, 60, a career politician who had no children, no dogs, no cats, no notable hobbies and no lovable eccentricities to endear himself to constituents, apparently has no friends in Sacramento, either, from the looks of things. At the Biltmore Tuesday night, the A-list Democrats who always show up at their campaign headquarters during important elections were notably absent. There was no Dianne Feinstein or Nancy Pelosi, no Jerry Brown -- his old boss -- or Willie Brown, no state Democratic leaders, no marquee political names at all.

California's Democratic Party Chairman, Art Torres, gamely showed up. So did Dolores Huerta, who co-founded the United Farm Workers union with Cesar Chavez (and whom Davis, in one of his last-ditch attempts at courting the liberal base of the party he had all but abandoned, appointed to the University of California Board of Regents). But among elected officials, only a few local legislators, who blended into the much larger group of television reporters, male and female, in dark power suits, spent the few glum hours before Davis's 10 p.m. concession speech waiting for the inevitable.

The funereal scene at the Biltmore -- where John F. Kennedy gave his acceptance speech after winning the Democratic nomination in 1960 -- was largely peopled by weeping, angry campaign workers. Several broke down utterly during Davis's speech, especially when he said he had warned his wife and mother "that this is a no-crying zone on this stage. They can cry later."

In Sacramento Wednesday, Davis's close-knit staff cried, too, Maviglio said. Of his 2,700 appointees, 1,100 of them are at-will employees -- hired at the pleasure of the governor, and sure to be fired by the new one so he can have his own at-pleasure staff. Maviglio, one of 192 members of Davis's personal staff who will be out of work in a month, said he and the others remained loyal and proud.

"I can tell you that everyone who's worked for the governor is honored and proud of what he's been able to accomplish," Maviglio said. "They can't recall the governor's achievements on many fronts -- education, the environment, health care. It's sort of -- what's the word? -- ironic, that he gets defeated for this."

At the Biltmore, Davis made sure to outline his proudest moments as well. "We have focused on the schools, achievement scores are up five years in a row," he said. "We have 300,000 more scholarships a year for deserving students. . . . We've provided health care for 1 million children who didn't have it when I became governor, and I'm proud to have signed legislation that will extend health care to working Californians, 1 million of them, starting in 2006."

Maviglio said that "despite a few extremists in the recall camp who said they want nothing done," the state constitution and Davis's own ethics demanded that he try to tackle a large number of tasks and projects in the next few weeks.

"We're going to have to prepare a transition that usually takes two and a half months and do it in a few weeks," he said. "We have a lot of parole requests to look at, for example."

Davis's press office had a habit of faxing half a dozen or more news releases to reporters every day. Wednesday, it seemed sure that there would be more, if not many more, from the governor to come.



To: American Spirit who wrote (473318)10/10/2003 10:07:08 PM
From: Hope Praytochange  Respond to of 769670
 
<<<The LA Times is a pay site. Cant get articles there. But I read the articles. >>>

you lied to us --LA times is FREE of charges --you cant get the articles because you made it up

latimes.com
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To:American Spirit who wrote (473297)
From: khang8537 Wednesday, Oct 8, 2003 10:49 PM
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<<<The LA Times put out the Arnold stories, not the Democrats. They also put out negative stories on Davis and Bustamante>>> can you re-post here the negative stories published by LA on gray david and xruz B. ???

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From: American Spirit Wednesday, Oct 8, 2003 10:56 PM
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The LA Times is a pay site. Cant get articles there. But I read the articles.



To: American Spirit who wrote (473318)10/10/2003 10:16:37 PM
From: Hope Praytochange  Respond to of 769670
 
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To: American Spirit who wrote (473318)10/10/2003 10:40:50 PM
From: Hope Praytochange  Respond to of 769670
 
browsing LA Times:
vote2003.ss.ca.gov

Shall GRAY DAVIS be recalled (removed) from the Office of Governor?
100.0 % ( 15235 of 15235 ) precincts reporting as of Oct 10, 2003 at 7:28 pm

Statewide Returns County Returns | Other Contests

Votes Percent


Shall Gray Davis be recalled? Yes 4,536,262 55.3
No 3,668,076 44.7



To: American Spirit who wrote (473318)10/10/2003 10:45:02 PM
From: Hope Praytochange  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769670
 
here is a story from LA TIMES "paid site"(per american spirit)
latimes.com

Where to ...
... pump iron, smoke cigars, park your plane, enjoy Austrian cuisine (good luck) and buy a new Hummer.
By Rone Tempest
Times Staff Writer

October 11, 2003

So, you are moving to Sacramento. Willkommen!

You are a huge international superstar with a private jet, a fleet of outsized SUVs and a penchant for espresso and Cuban cigars.

You are relocating to a sleepy, mid-size agricultural center where rabid residents root for their city's only big league sports franchise, the Sacramento Kings, by maniacally clanging cowbells.

A major concern here is what color to paint the Tower Bridge. (After much debate, the citizens settled on something that might charitably be called "French's Mustard gold.")

This is a place about which Los Angeles Democratic Assemblyman Dario Frommer says: "If you want a good meal, you better get out before 10 p.m. or you are out of luck. Even the fast food places close early in Sacramento."

you can read the rest by registering --of course FREE



To: American Spirit who wrote (473318)10/10/2003 10:52:26 PM
From: Hope Praytochange  Respond to of 769670
 
from LA TIMES (recommended by American spirit):
Sad but Accepting, Davis Muses on His Loss
By Gregg Jones
Times Staff Writer
latimes.com

October 10, 2003

SACRAMENTO — Facing his final weeks in office, Gov. Gray Davis said Thursday that he realizes "people got tired of me after a while," but added that he would like to remain in public service when he steps down.

In his first interview since losing the recall election, Davis said he was just beginning to think about the future after a defeat he described as stemming from a popular desire for change.

He might try to find a post with a nonprofit organization working on education or environmental issues or providing mentors to young people, he said.

Davis spoke philosophically about his defeat and the man who beat him, Arnold Schwarzenegger.

"I'm proud to have spent my entire adult life in some form of public service," he told The Times. "I believe it is a high calling. On the other hand there is no requirement that elected officials be steeped in the intimate details of the job they're seeking."

"Gov. Schwarzenegger, if he has good instincts and good people around him, can do a capable job," he said. "I wish the new governor well. I want things to get better for California."

Davis also offered a reflection on his tenure that could serve as a warning to the governor-elect:

Former Gov. Pete "Wilson's people mentioned this to me, and I didn't appreciate it for two or three years: It's easy to deal with the tasks you know are before you," Davis said. "It's harder to deal with the unexpected.

"The electricity crisis was unexpected. The dot-com collapse was unexpected. No one even asked me a question about electricity in 1999 — not just a reporter, not one human being. Two years later we had a problem that was not on anyone's radar screen.

"I had to learn about it on the fly, and I had to learn about it in a very partisan environment," he added.

Famously stoic throughout his career, Davis fought back tears as he talked about his election night concession speech and how he had wanted to spare his family the pain of the moment.

The speech "wasn't hard to give, because those were the sentiments in my heart," Davis said in the back seat of his limousine just after landing at the Sacramento airport. As he tried to continue, tears filled his eyes, his voice shook, his face quivered and he turned away twice to compose himself.

Finally, he said: "But it was just hard to give, because I was trying to keep my family strong."

Later, in a final meeting at the Capitol, Davis exchanged hugs and handshakes and passed out tissues to crying Cabinet members.

During the interview, he acknowledged the difficulty of handling his inglorious end as governor. "This isn't easy," he said, while adding, "I don't feel bitter.

"I had a great 30-year ride and a wonderful opportunity to serve the people of this state. Now the people have said they want somebody else to govern."

Davis said he was reminded of something that former Gov. Jerry Brown had told him when he served as Brown's chief of staff in the late 1970s.

"Nobody has the right to be governor," Davis said, paraphrasing his former boss. "You have an opportunity to run and ask people to put their trust in you for a finite period of time. And people either respond to that request or they don't."

Davis added: "They can change their mind and withdraw their permission after they've once given it. That's the nature of democracy in California. I knew that going in. And I know that going out."

He conceded that his image as a wooden campaigner may have hurt him. "I'm not Bill Clinton. I am who I am, and I'm not going to change," he said.

But, he said, to a large extent, victory or defeat in politics is a matter of circumstance.

"Winning in '98 was in part due to the fact that I was in the right place at the right time," he said. Davis was lieutenant governor when he ran, and "in the public's mind, it was the perfect point to provide continuity in an economy that was soaring."

By contrast, "in 2003, largely because of the national economic downturn, I was blamed for many things that had gone wrong in people's lives, whether or not I was personally culpable.

"When the average person looks at Sacramento," he said, "they expect the governor to fix things."

At the same time, he said, in Schwarzenegger he faced an opponent whom he knew would be formidable. "I think from the moment Arnold Schwarzenegger got in this race, our options really narrowed," he said. "It's like Ronald Reagan — he was in people's subconscious for many years. People think they know him. A celebrity with lots of money is a powerful force in California politics."

Davis said his best hope of survival would have been for Schwarzenegger to have stumbled badly, but that didn't happen.

"He really didn't make any mistakes," Davis said. "He had a few stumbles early on. But his celebrity really allowed him to circumvent the political press. He didn't need to get known. It didn't seem to matter what his platform was as long as he didn't make any mistakes."

In an effort to win back voters, Davis accepted the advice of campaign consultants and veteran politicians like Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) to make his case directly to voters. Davis said he opted for town hall meetings because he found the setting a comfortable one, where he could talk to voters and explain his actions without his words being condensed into media sound bites.

Still, "none of that could wipe away the feeling of economic loss that people were experiencing," he said.

"We were never ahead in our private polls — ever. That last weekend we got very close for two days. But we knew we needed the other side to stumble. Some elections are in the cards and some aren't."

Davis took issue with suggestions that he was leaving office as an outcast without friends.

"Politics is a contact sport, and we live in a more partisan environment than when I entered politics 30 years ago," he said.

"But I know there are lots of people around this state that appreciate my efforts to advance opportunities for all Californians in education, health care, the environment. And they've expressed their gratitude to me unsolicited," he added.

"So clearly, we have plenty of friends. The phone's been ringing off the hook the last couple of days," he said.

"Public service is a gift," he added. "The public puts their trust in you, expects you to work hard on their behalf, and I have They're entitled to withdraw that gift any time they want." There are some biblical parallels there."



To: American Spirit who wrote (473318)10/10/2003 11:03:06 PM
From: Hope Praytochange  Respond to of 769670
 
from la times
Electing to Go With Starry-Eyed Predictions Over Political Pundits
Patt Morrison

October 7, 2003

Enough with the polls. Enough with the pundits. Enough with the margins of error.

I want to know what's going to happen, and I want to know now. Before the polls close. Before they even open.

So I asked an expert — like the one Nancy Reagan turned to when the going got tough; like the one Orange County's treasurer-tax collector consulted in the dark days before bankruptcy.

I asked an astrologer.

Brian Evis is the man, a professional astrologer in these parts since the Nixon administration, and when I asked him to help me out here, I found he was already way ahead of me — he'd begun scanning the election star charts some while ago.

What I wanted to know was this: What does today look like for the principals? For the voters? For the future?

I won't tell you right now who he said will win. You've got to read this whole thing. I had to write it, after all. You want short, turn on the TV.

OK, OK, I'll give you one early — the way they hand out the best supporting actor right off the top at the Oscars, then make you sit and fidget two hours for the next big one.

Gray is a goner. He's a Capricorn with a "lot of Leo in his chart, like Schwarzenegger," but "Saturn is coming down to knock him out of office," says Brian. "There's no way he'll get reelected. He's just gone."

With Saturn whupping Gray upside the head, "it's all about finances, and when you have Venus and Pluto out of bounds, he's a little bit beyond society's rules when it comes to finances," Brian says. "I just think the public subconsciously recognizes there's something wrong here financially." Maybe Gray's rising sign is the dollar sign.

You don't need polls or stars to know that this week hasn't been stellar for the Grayster — all those aspects of "aggression and impulsiveness," says Brian, are "interfering with his judgment, and it suggests Gray Davis is really aggravating the people around him trying to help him out Someone behaving desperately, is what it comes down to."

But there's good news for Gray. If he's sent packing, he should pack his good suits and head to Berlitz, because a late-bloomer aspect shows Brian that Gray has a career as a diplomat. He is "just a natural as a government official," says Brian. "He'd be great as a foreign delegate to France or someplace like that. His ninth house is wonderful, and he'd be the best foreign diplomat. Which he would adore, by the way."

So Gray's packed the American Tourister and called a taxi. What about Tom McClintock, a Cancer?

"Now this is a good man. I like him and I think so does everybody else," but "he's really a behind-the-scenes man, to be honest with you. This is the power behind the throne. It would be nice if he became Arnold's financial advisor, because that's what he's so good at."

All last week, and even today, says Brian, McClintock's been "trying too hard. And it's really for his own ego purposes, because he should be dropping out After the election, he has a major aspect where he has to let go of some cherished ambitions, and that'll be kind of painful for him." [What, the car tax won't be repealed?]

Now, Cruz Bustamante, the Central Valley Capricorn, is a guy with a "very analytical Virgo moon and the same wheel, the same outer-planet transit" as Arnold. [You're writing all this down, aren't you?] "This," says Brian, "is a good person in his chart. He has a real nose-to-the-grindstone work ethic going at the moment. He thinks of himself as a symbol of success; he works terribly hard — this is a very practical chart, he's very practical, in fact, dare I say he's very lucky the more practical he tries to be."

Our Cruz is a worrywart, and sometimes insecure, "and when he feels insecure, he can come across as a know-it-all and arrogant, and he's not like that at all. He's really very sensitive, but people see a cold, critical facade — he does a good job of hiding his feelings. If Cruz and Tom would sit around and have a couple of beers on television, everyone in California would love them." [Cruz is a wine guy and I suspect Tom is a teetotaler, but I get Brian's point.]

Yet election day for Cruz "has an aspect where he feels like he's not making progress. Everything is status quo, and it's not moving ahead."

And now to Arnold. A Leo whose progressed sun just went into Libra, which in politics is the house of social destiny, but you knew that already.

While he might be wrong, Brian thinks — here comes the payoff for sticking with me here — he thinks Arnold will take it.

Here's why. There's the "total energy" in his chart — he's ambitious, and he "always believes he's a winner, and he's willing to work long and hard." He may not be scholarship material on politics, but "he's willing to listen to people who are experts in fields he's moving into. He learned that moving into bodybuilding."

What else has Arnold got going for him — besides a bank balance the size of Bhutan's budget and more free media than a J. Lo bust-up? "No fear of failure, which can be offensive to people who are a little wishy-washy, and he's programmed himself to succeed."

There's a second-place trophy. Brian says that the loser, Cruz or Arnold, "is going to be very glad he loses, because he has a big career movement starting next spring in his chart. There's something else he's going to be doing He has a really good 2004." [The White House? The Oscars?]

For the voters, today "opens fairly strongly" — sounds like the stock market, doesn't it? Brian says we're feeling "independent and rebellious and original. It's a day when only the strong shall survive and the public will know who the weak leaders are, and they will not elect anyone perceived to be weak."

And for everyone else, in California and around the big, star-struck, dumbstruck world, the moon is in Pisces, which will help voters "to get over the shock or surprise" of it all.

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Like your average Californian, I'm interested in just one thing in this election — me. Where does all this leave me?

If Arnold wins, it leaves me in deep, that's where. So let me say right now: All that stuff I wrote about Arnold before? About him not being able to remember meeting with energy villain Ken Lay? About him being able to balance the budget but maybe costing the state big in sexual harassment suits? About his going AWOL from the Austrian army for a bodybuilding contest? About his not voting in six of the last eight state elections?

I was just making statements that were ludicrous and crazy and outrageous because that's the way I always was. I knew they would get headlines. We were promoting bodybuilding — I mean newspapers. I was always outrageous. Otherwise I wouldn't have done the things I've done in my career.

Hey, if the voters can believe it from him, they can believe it from me too. But just to hedge my bets, I've called my mother to ask whether I could have my old room back.

She said she'd think about it.

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To: American Spirit who wrote (473318)10/11/2003 9:08:47 AM
From: Hope Praytochange  Respond to of 769670
 
this is from NY times --not LA times
nytimes.com

Democrats Left Wondering After Recall Vote
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Filed at 8:43 a.m. ET

LOS ANGELES (AP) -- As they fought the recall of Gov. Gray Davis, Democrats portrayed the drive as a right-wing Republican conspiracy to undermine elections they couldn't otherwise win.

Tuesday's election results showed neither that argument nor Davis ever had a chance, as 55 percent of voters -- including a quarter of Democrats -- bounced Davis in favor of Republican actor Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Democrats are now left wondering if anything could have helped them keep the top job in the nation's most populous state, and have already started engaging in the usual post-defeat finger pointing.

``Sometimes, the Democratic strategy seemed to be blaming the people who signed the recall petitions,'' said Jack Pitney, professor of government at Claremont McKenna College. ``It was very evident that this was a broad-based movement, and the attempt to tie it to some sort of Republican conspiracy triggered a backlash.''

Davis campaign strategists defended their decision to frame the election as a Republican hijacking, saying Davis' deep unpopularity left them little choice.

It worked to a certain extent, said Davis pollster Paul Maslin, as almost 45 percent of voters voted against the recall even though exit polls showed only 27 percent of voters approved of Davis' job performance.

Maslin and others said that what really hurt was the decision by some leading Democrats to encourage Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante to become a replacement candidate, robbing the campaign of its only chance to unify the party base.

``The whole fallback strategy of the Cruz candidacy was devised by a bunch of Brutuses who stabbed Gray Davis in the back,'' he said. ``If Bustamante had never been on the ballot, it would have been much easier to rally Democrats.''

In the days leading up to the recall's certification, many Democrats openly hoped that Sen. Dianne Feinstein, possibly the state's most popular elected official, would run. But Feinstein said no, opening the field for Schwarzenegger, who had said he wouldn't run if Feinstein did.

Feinstein's absence left a Schwarzenegger-Davis matchup that Democrats couldn't win, analysts said.

``It was a tactical mistake for Democrats to run head to head with Schwarzenegger -- Davis was a candidate voters had stopped listening to,'' said Democratic strategist Jenny Backus. ``Let's face it, it's only in comic books that the skinny guy beats the muscle man.''

But many observers said the recall election was always just a referendum on Davis, and exit polls showed that 83 percent of voters had made up their minds a month ago or earlier.

In their thinking, the only hope for Democrats to keep the job would have been for party leaders, such as party chairman Terry McAuliffe, to get Davis to resign and recruit a stronger replacement candidate.

McAuliffe declined to be interviewed by The Associated Press, but senior Democratic Party official Ann Lewis defended the party's recall strategy.

By sharpening the ``partisan lines around the election,'' Lewis said, Democrats were able to motivate the base, and ``that's part of the mathematics of winning.''

As for clearing the way for Feinstein to run, Lewis wouldn't comment. ``Coulda, shoulda, woulda. I'm not gonna go there.''

Even if Davis never had a chance, many Democrats still believe the message that Republicans use unorthodox tactics to steal elections will work in the future.

``The bottom line the Democratic Party has to calculate is if the Republican leadership is going to do this kind of thing, the Democratic leadership has to respond in kind,'' said Davis media strategist David Doak. ``I'm not here to say we ought to recall Schwarzenegger, but we have to be there to hold him accountable for every simplistic, demogogic promise he has made.''

Republicans, not surprisingly, called the recall both a rejection of Davis and a triumph of GOP efforts to put aside the kind of partisan ideology Democrats had tried to run against.

``My goal was to bury all the ideological demons that had been haunting the party since 1998,'' said California Republican Chairman Duf Sundheim. ``We will be developing a game plan from this election that supports the re-election of the president, helps the governor, and addresses the U.S. Senate race.''

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