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Politics : The Environmentalist Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (2755)	10/9/2003 9:48:32 PM
From: Skywatcher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 36921

Sickening.....the poor creatures are dying from the bends...... charming....thanks to the Navy and the Feds.... CC

To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (2755)	10/10/2003 12:14:16 AM
From: d[-_-]b	Respond to of 36921

len, re:Sonar Is Linked to Whale Deaths This is really strange - I can see how whales could be confused or scared, but "somehow directly set off bubble eruptions in the nitrogen-saturated tissues". That last line seems way out side reality. That would be enough to begin weapons research - a nitrogen bubble ray gun to repel enemy divers in harbors and ports to protect ships. If true this is bad news for whales, since peoples lives will take precedence. Where do you take an issue like this so the worlds Navy's would even consider banning Sonar or at least create rules for usage? I'm fairly certain not inviting them to examine the whales won't do much to bolster the case with the Navy - very odd to exclude them. In any other circumstance I'd call it almost deceitful.

To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (2755)	10/10/2003 12:34:52 AM
From: d[-_-]b	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 36921

len, re:Sonar nrdc.org The Bahamas Whale Deaths In March 2000, four different species of whales and dolphins were stranded on beaches in the Bahamas after a U.S. Navy battle group used active sonar in the area. Despite efforts to save the whales, seven of them died. The Navy initially denied that active sonar was to blame, but its own investigation later found hemorrhaging around the dead whales' eyes and ears, indicating severe acoustic trauma. The government's study of the incident established with virtual certainty that the strandings in the Bahamas had been caused by mid-frequency active sonar used by Navy ships passing through the area. Since the incident, the area's population of beaked whales has disappeared, leading researchers to conclude that they abandoned their habitat or died at sea. Scientists are concerned that, under the right circumstances, even the transient use of high-intensity active sonar can have a severe impact on populations of marine mammals. And this: nrdc.org SAN FRANCISCO (August 26, 2003) -- A federal judge ruled today that the Navy's plan to deploy a new high-intensity sonar system violates numerous federal environmental laws and could endanger whales, porpoises and fish. In a 73-page opinion, U.S. Magistrate Judge Elizabeth Laporte barred the Navy's planned around-the-world deployment and ordered the Navy to reduce the system's potential harm to marine mammals and fish by negotiating limits on its use with conservation groups who had sued over its deployment. Or this one, perhaps less biased than NDRC (but it is CNN): cnn.com