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To: American Spirit who wrote (2117)	10/9/2003 7:00:20 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 7936

They might not be enough but its a good start. Actually they should be more then enough but it will take a long time. If the business climate in CA is improved and the CA state government makes a big effort to shed responsibilities it doesn't need, and trims staff where it reasonably can in the areas where it continues to function and makes a big push to increase efficiency it would easily amount to more then $12bil. But that's a tall order, one that will be difficult to achieve even if there is a real effort put behind it, and there is a good chance there will be no such effort. Even if such efforts are made and sustained and done well (and the combination of all three is asking a lot) it would take years for the changes to reach fruition. Its "not enough" in the sense that it isn't enough for this year. These types of changes take time. Tim

To: American Spirit who wrote (2117)	10/9/2003 7:11:03 PM
From: Original Mad Dog	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 7936

AS, Even if you lay off 50,0000 people that's only a 200 million savings per year. Arnold has a 12 billion gap to close. Also, Davis has already done much of what you propose, contrary to GOP spin. I don't understand these comments. Perhaps you could explain them? If he lays off 50,000 people that has to be a lot more than 200 million in savings. That would only be $4000 per person laid off. Even if you meant 5,000 people (hence $40,000 per person), that does not take into account pension and benefit costs. And laying off only 5,000 people would leave the total state payroll at more than 47,000 (nearly 20 percent) higher than when Davis took office: Message 19387161 Davis (as I indicated to you with citation to the actual numbers as supplied by the California state government) increased payrolls by more than 40,000 in five years. That's not spin. It's fact. He has not "already" gotten rid of those people, has he?