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To: Bilow who wrote (116576)	10/12/2003 4:15:30 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

There are several Israeli terrorist organizations that will probably continue attacking the Palestinians. Who? but there is no denying the FACT that individuals on both sides are continuing to attack the other side, There are the West Bank settlements. An exercise in total stupidity by the Israeli gov't that simply invited retaliation. Hmmmmm. A bit more complicated than just that, I'm afraid. There is also no denying the FACT that the Israeli government does not treat Israeli Arabs fairly and equally. Eh? My understanding is that they have full citizenship rights. Jewish women are legally banned from praying at the Wailing Wall* by the supreme court of Israel. Apparently, the ultra-orthodox (if it was Muslim it would probably be labeled fundamentalist) creed is that women are not allowed at the most holiest of holy sites to pray. They are allowed to pray nearby, but they must do so silently and they aren't supposed to read from the Torah, blow the Shofar, or wear a prayer shawl because those are for men only. What makes this "separate but equal" praying thing even worse, is that it is being publicized as for the women's safety. Apparently, women who have attempted to pray at the main site while wearing prayer shawls and reading from the Torah have been the victims of violence from ultra-orthodox worshippers. A woman praying from the Torah is a sin, but peppering her with rocks and brick fragments is orthodox? So, now the government has a year to put up a temple at the nearby Robinson's Arch or the women will be permitted to pray at the central site. ........................................................... women are permitted to learn the Torah. However, they aren't permitted to read from it aloud. This would imply that they were teaching from it, and that is forbidden. poise.cc They don'y just pick on Arabs. So why should we get involved on their side? I'm not advocating that we should. I think an ideal solution would be for the US simply to walk away and let them shoot it out. That isn't going to happen, though, because of US domestic politics.

To: Bilow who wrote (116576)	10/12/2003 4:20:36 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<Moslems aren't even allowed to marry Jews in Israel.> Bilow, surely that can't be true. Jews aren't that insane. They have got the highest average IQ of any ethnic group which is numbered in the millions. They are by definition not stupid [though democratic politics is decided by the average and their average is still not far from chimps]. It must be the Moslems who ban Jews from marrying them - they've got it in for Jews and Moslems have a lower average IQ than Jews. Personally, I'd quite like my DNA carried around by smart DNA as my chance of having successful descendants would be improved. Hmmm, maybe that's why it's banned. I can understand Jews circling the wagons to protect their gene pool if they saw my stupid DNA coming. Jews aren't into master races and racial purity and apartheid and they have heard of the stories of Romeo and Juliet and Fiddler on the Roof. Yes, I know there is the Chosen People stuff, but surely nobody really believes some supernatural spook [who has refused me all interviews to check the veracity of the claim] has set down a deterministic pathway which humans must blindly follow and he/she/they have nominated a squabbling array of zionist zealots to run the show. People have got that vaunted free-will stuff and don't have to do Armageddon just because some con-man pretended to be interviewing Number 1 Big Man, but he was really just interviewing his typewriter when he wrote The Bible, just like that pet melanin-rich man they kept at the New York Times interviewed his typewriter and made up good stories. It's funny that people take the New York Times, The Bible, The Koran, The Torah or any other propaganda sheet seriously, let alone seriously enough to go out and murder people. Don't those people have a brain in their heads? RTFM [Read The Manual] might be good enough for making a computer work, but using such out of date publications as operating systems for modern life are absurd. They aren't even well written. They are near enough to unintelligible and completely inconsistent not to mention arbitrary, fantasist and mad and offer MAD in the mutual assured destruction sense = if the other people don't go along with you, you have to smite them and kill them and that goes for Soddom and Gomorrah too. MAD as Hatters. Mqurice PS: It might be that particular churches ban intermarriage and will excommunicate the naughty. Yes, that makes more sense and is perfectly reasonable. That's fair enough. Young ones can tell their dopey parents and religious sects to take a hike and refuse to attend the cult gatherings.