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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (116662)	10/12/2003 7:51:14 PM
From: Jacob Snyder	Respond to of 281500

Yes, they can go to a foreign country, and get married. That would be like the U.S. placing marriage law and the granting of marriage contracts, under the control of ultra-fundamentalist Christians (equivalent to Jewish Orthodox rabbis), and then banning all inter-religious marriages on U.S. territory. Given the demographic problem for Israel and Jews in general, Israel should encourage interfaith marriage and conversions, instead of making it almost impossible. And then try hard to make sure the kids are raised as Jews. That's the way the Muslims and Christians do it, and (judging by the numbers), that's a most successful method.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (116662)	10/12/2003 8:09:22 PM
From: Bilow	Respond to of 281500

Hi Nadine Carroll; Re: "All they need to do is get a civil marriage and it is recognized." You're mistaken. And as usual, accusing me of being wrong. The truth is that it is not possible to get a civil marriage in Israel between a Jew and a Moslem. Israelis who want to get such a marriage recognized by the Israeli government have to get married outside of Israel. The typical place to do this is Cyprus. Here's a link giving advice on how to go about doing this: Wedding in Cyprus: Part I ... Israel has no options for Israeli citizens who want to have a civil marriage, instead of a religious one. Thus, for couples such as ours, we must explore options to marry outside this country. A popular option among Israelis is to perform the civil marriage on the island of Cyprus. Cyprus is close; located in the Mediterranean Sea, and has liberal marriage laws for foreigners. "The contracting of civil marriage in Cyprus is valid since 1923. As the procedure is simple, many couples from all over the world come to celebrate their marriage in Cyprus ...." (From the Embassy of Cyprus in Tel Aviv, Israel. wideworkinggroup.com Wedding in Cyprus: Part III ... What was the ceremony was like? Do you need rings? How long did it take? The ceremony took about 10 minutes. Ours was conducted in a nice office at city hall, with the official government representaive conducting the ceremony, and several of his staff members acting as witnesses. If you bring a camera they'll probably take pictures of you and your fiancee going through the ceremony. ... How do we register our marriage with the State of Israel? Upon returning to Israel, go to the Interior Ministry and show/ bring the following: - ID cards (teudat zehut) - 4 passport photos - Passports - The marriage certificate wideworkinggroup.com There is no legal right to miscegenation in Israel. In that, they match the southern US back in the 1950s. Re: "All they need to do is get a civil marriage and it is recognized." I've shown that this is a lie. There is no right to a civil marriage in Israel. Your ability to spin around facts that are inconvenient to your mission of obtaining US assistance against your enemies is unsurpassed. -- Carl P.S. For quotes from Jerusalem Post articles on these simple facts, see #reply-18253643