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To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (116750)	10/13/2003 3:34:12 PM
From: Chas.	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

OK, Jacob has spoken, now it is time for all of you lefty liberal anti military, anti American, anti American way of life, anti American Standard of living, anti anything American to line up and start praising and kissing his arse for running down America in another post.......line up now.... Pathetic people that support the ilk of Jacob Snyder....how do you look your own children and grand children in the eye is beyond me.....

To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (116750)	10/13/2003 4:34:04 PM
From: aladin	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Jacob, You missed several. For example Eisenhower's refusal to let the Franco-British (Israeli backed) seizure of the Suez canal stand (in 1956). See: 65.107.211.208 for a brief review The British were furious and a lot of the emnity the French hold for us stems from this issue and other actions in Lebanon. John

To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (116750)	10/14/2003 9:51:43 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Belated reply: 1801-1805 Libya. Our first war on terrorism (we called them pirates, then). They were doing to our ships, the same thing they did to our airliners in the 1970s. Good comparison. And we should respond as forcefully now as we did then. Though we haven't until post-911. 1815 Algeria. Same story. 1832 -- Sumatra (modern Indonesia) - A naval force landed and stormed a fort to punish natives of the town of Quallah Battoo for plundering the American ship Friendship. 1838-39 -- Sumatra - December 24, 1838, to January 4, 1839. A naval force landed to punish natives of the towns of Quallah Battoo and Muckie (Mukki) for depredations on American shipping. Same story - same response. 1851 -- Turkey. After a massacre of foreigners (including Americans) at Jaffa in January, a demonstration by the Mediterranean Squadron was ordered along the Turkish (Levant) coast. 1858-59 -- Turkey. The Secretary of State requested a display of naval force along the Levant after a massacre of Americans at Jaffa and mistreatment elsewhere "to remind the authorities (of Turkey) of the power of the United States." So Muslim massacres of westerners began long before I was aware. Thanks for informing me. Now Jaffa would be in Israel today and Levant refers to Lebanon. Now what was the justification in the 1850's? Can't be because of colonialism because the Turkish empire was still intact. Can't blame it on American support for Israel either. 1882 -- Egypt -- July 14 to 18. American forces landed to protect American interests during warfare between British and Egyptians and looting of the city of Alexandria by Arabs. 1903 -- Lebanon -- September 7 to 12. U.S. forces protected the American consulate in Beirut when a local Moslem uprising was feared. Good. 1943-1945 - operations and occupation in North Africa during WW2. Well, excuse us! 1953- Iran - CIA overthrew Mohammad Mossadegh, the democratically elected prime minister of Iran. The chief U.S. agent was Kermit Roosevelt Jr., grandson of Theodore Roosevelt. atimes.com 1958-1963 - Iraq - First evidence of CIA support for Saddam Hussain in 1959, in his failed assassination attempt against Abdel Kassem, the Iraqi left-nationalist dictator. In 1960, Kassem helped set up OPEC. He continued to be targetted by a CIA destabilization campaign, leading to the bloody 1963 coup, when the Baathists first came to power, and killed Kassem. (His body was displayed on Iraqi television, just as Saddam's sons would be displayed in 2003.) During this period, the CIA provided lists of names to the Baathist cadres, to make sure all the right people got killed (Communists, nationalists, Nasserite Pan-Arabists). Thousands died. As soon as the Baathist Party came to power, the U.S. started supplying weapons to Iraq, which were used to fight an ongoing Kurdish insurgency. 1958 -- Lebanon. 15,000 Marines were landed in Lebanon to deter Nasser's Pan-Arabists. During the cold war, we did support some unsavory people. Not just in the ME either but in SE Asia, Africa, Latin America, the Caribbean - yet you don't see similar strings of attacks aimed at American targets from those areas. 1958 to today - U.S. "tilts" toward Israel, in their war with Arabs. From 1958 to 1967, Israel develops a nuclear weapons capability. You left out the US taking Nasser's side in the Suez conflict. Following which Britain and France lost most of their influence in the ME and Russia gained influence leading the US to counter.