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To: carranza2 who wrote (116864)	10/14/2003 6:49:11 PM
From: Bilow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi carranza2; Re: "Huh? Seems to me that Iraq did get the bejesus, as you colorfully put it, bombed out of it." Hardly. Total civilian and military deaths: Germany, World War 2 7,060,000 Japan, World War 2 2,000,000 Iraq, Bush's War 8,000 [my guess] The wars are not even comparable. Probably more people were killed by Iraqi looters and hooligans than were killed by the US. Like I warned you guys repeatedly, the US military is now so efficient at avoiding civilian casualties that it makes for an ineffective occupation force. To force a defiant population to kneel in surrender you have to kill a *lot* of people, preferably about 5% of the total population, but the US can't (or won't) do that nowadays. Because of this simple fact of arithmetic and human behavior, it is not possible for the US to use military force to "win hearts and minds". Instead, the only way we can win hearts and minds is by doing good things. A great example of a good thing is that operation that cut apart the Egyptian twins the other day. Here's Al-Jazeera's report on it: english.aljazeera.net In the absence of our ongoing bloody occupation of Iraq, and our ongoing support of the immoral state of Israel, the Arabs, like the rest of the world, will welcome us as friends and trading partners. -- Carl P.S. Statistics for Iraqi civilian and military casualties are hard to come by, since the US government has essentially decided to suppress that information. Statistics for WW2 are also doubtful, but the orders of magnitude are approximately correct. Here's a source for WW2 death counts: hitler.org