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To: Road Walker who wrote (176634)	10/14/2003 9:12:56 PM
From: i-node	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574685

You must have missed VietNam. Well, I didn't go, if that's what you mean. But I had friends who did (and didn't come back) and I participated in that least favorite of all lotteries for a few years. But any reference to Vietnam is totally without nexus to this situation. Vietnam was ill-conceived and poorly managed (by weak, liberal leaders, I might add). That you even mentioned Vietnam leads me to believe you have not given much thought to either the Vietnam conflict OR the current Iraq War. There is absolutely no similarity in any way, shape or form. As to your remark, "You must have missed Vietnam", what is your point? Vietnam started out about freedom, but after some years of liberal mismanagement became about getting un-entangled. Had we had a strong leader early on who was willing to make the commitment, the war would have been over, won, and the South would have had its freedom. Instead, by the time we got the liberals out of office, it was a lost cause, all about us trying to get the hell out of dodge. I'm glad to see that you have interviewed the Iraqi families who have lost family members in the war. That must be why we have such a peaceful situation in Iraq Well, I have been careful not to take my news from the liberal media, so I do have a decent handle on the facts. The Iraqi people overwhelmingly support our presence. As to a "peaceful" situation, it is relatively peaceful, except for the terrorist events that really are spawned from outside Iraq. re: - We started a process which will end anti-Americanism in the Middle East. What planet are you living on? Bush properly assessed the situation. By freeing Iraq, you will stem the tide of ME anti-Americanism on a long-term basis. This is reality. It will take a little time, obviously, but you have to be blind not to be able to see the tremendous progress that has been made already. The Middle East, from one end to the other, is seeing that the United States has been willing to sacrifice for their benefit. And while there are, as expected, pockets of resistance, the people of Iraq overwhelmingly support what we're doing. And once Iran is a democracy they will be strongly pro-American as well. re: - We made it possible for the Iranians to move toward democracy. The future is unsure, the dead are dead. I don't know of any reputable commentator on the subject who believes that Iran isn't headed for Democracy, nor any who believes that our ousting of Saddam hasn't sped the process along. Our 100B will never be repaid, and you are underestimating the cost. You got some wierd pollyanna view of the middle east, like it's a suburb of Detroit. Get real. Frankly, the cost doesn't matter. It could be 500B, a trillion, whatever, and we would still be repaid many times over. You are underestimating the scope of what has happened; even if it WERE just Iraq it would be repaid. But Bush has created an entire region of the world that will become one big customer for US goods and services. re: - We eliminated the massive cost of maintaining a military presence in the region to monitor the no-fly zones and support WMD search fiascos. LOL Well, you can laugh, but we would have had the damned no-fly zone intact for the next hundred years. The cost, both in dollars and in anti-Americanism, is now eliminated. The thing is, you are blantantly wrong. Maybe. But I think not. Since day one in the war, we've seen bumps in the road blown out of proportion, only to later find they were, in fact, bumps in the road. The same thing is happening now. If it won't matter in five years, it doesn't matter today. And five years from now, the Middle East is going to be a robustly pro-American place. I'm sure you, Maher, and the other liberals will still be denying it, but it will be solely because of Bush's courage and the sacrifice of the American military. We'll see how many of you are around and willing to admit how wrong you were..

To: Road Walker who wrote (176634)	10/15/2003 12:14:10 AM
From: tejek	Respond to of 1574685

The thing is, you are blantantly wrong. The neocon philosophy is new, unproven, and based on bad assumptions. And it's distroying the institutions that some very good republican and democrat presidents have labored to establish over the last 30 years. Bush and his bunch are fanatics, they are cowboys, shooting from the hip. Bottom line, they are causing more harm than good, they are setting back progress, they are making the world more dangerous, not safer. And the real conservatives are going to turn on Bush, and talk show conservative idiots like you are going to be left on the fringe, where you belong. And you will wonder what happened. John, well said. I have concluded he's borderline certifiable. ted