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To: one_less who wrote (77566)	10/15/2003 3:38:03 PM
From: Neocon	Respond to of 82486

By the time we get to the key Supreme Court decision, all that is required is that it be a core moral belief, regardless of derivation. I was being too punctilious in asserting that a non- religious defense required some sort of coherent philosophical showing. Instead, it appears that the belief need only held with intensity. As for the abortion matter, all that is important is that there are pro- life atheists, which I showed as a matter of fact, as well as pro- life libertarians. If they hold to that position with the intensity of a core belief, it appears that they can assert a claim of conscience..........

To: one_less who wrote (77566)	10/27/2003 5:56:03 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Correct me if I am wrong but don't we have to assume some basis for an atheist who is a libertarian to be anti-abortion in the first place. Karen is having a hard time with that, as am I. Of course it is possible for an atheist who is a libertarian to take an anti-abortion stand but the usual position that would justify that (murdering a human soul), would seem hard to justify as a position of conscience. I'm not an atheist but a long while back when we were having one of the rounds of the abortion wars hear I think I made the type of argument you are looking for. An atheist can be against abortion because a living human being is killed, souls don't have to enter in to the picture. I originally provided more detail, and can do so again but the basic idea was expressed in the previous sentence. Tim