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To: Alighieri who wrote (176692)	10/15/2003 5:53:26 PM
From: Tenchusatsu	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 1573599

Al, Are you so sure of your support for the policies that lead to such insecurity? It's a lot better in Iraq than the press is making it out to be. Are you so disingenuous as to think that they are not being "discouraged" ? What do you call the exposure of a CIA agent who happens to be the wife of man who disagrees with claims made by the administration re: Iraq? Much ado about nothing, given that his wife's name was already on a government website before the leak, and she was nothing more than a CIA analyst. Tenchusatsu

To: Alighieri who wrote (176692)	10/15/2003 10:00:08 PM
From: tejek	Respond to of 1573599

<font color=green>Catch this one.......there is a general going around stating that God intervened on behalf of GW Bush and got him elected. Forget separation of church and state.......according to this general, this administration is an evangelical second coming. Let me tell this general.....if there is any religious significance to Mr. Bush, its as the anti christ and not something divine. Check out the LA Times tomorrow for more. What's next........prayer five times a day facing Washington?!!<font color=black> au.org U.S. Military Support For Baptist Evangelism Program Draws Protest From Americans United Use Of Army Base, Military Resources To Recruit Pastors Into Church Outreach Work Violates Constitution, Says Watchdog Group U.S. Army assistance to a Southern Baptist evangelism program violates the U.S. Constitution, according to Americans United for Separation of Church and State. In an April 4 letter to Secretary of the Army Thomas E. White, Americans United protested Major General William G. Boykin’s endorsement of a Southern Baptist evangelism program and his use of Ft. Bragg, N.C., military facilities and personnel to host and promote the ministry. Said Americans United Executive Director Barry W. Lynn, “This is a clear violation of the separation of church and state. Our military has no business using its resources to aid evangelism. “It is especially outrageous to hold this kind of event at a time when America’s relationship with Muslim countries is strained,” Lynn continued. “This sends exactly the wrong signal at the wrong time.” According to materials promoting the Ft. Bragg event, Southern Baptist pastors will be given unprecedented access to the military base while being recruited for the denomination’s “Super FAITH Force Multiplier” evangelism program. A March 3 letter to clergy from the Rev. Bobby H. Welch, pastor of the First Baptist Church in Daytona Beach, Fla., says, “I am writing to you about a once in a lifetime opportunity to join a group of warriors at the John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center and School at Fort Bragg, NC. Major General William G. ‘Jerry’ Boykin has personally invited you and a select group of other FAITH Pastors to join him April 22nd and 23rd…. You can be absolutely guaranteed you will never, ever have this type of opportunity again! You will go with General Boykin and Green Beret instructors to places where no civilians and few soldiers ever go. “THE PURPOSE OF THE GATHERING? It is believed by you, me and others that we must find a group of men who are warriors of FAITH, pastors who have the guts to lead this nation to Christ and revival!,” continued Welch, whose church is the birthplace of the FAITH program, an “evangelism strategy” now widely used by Southern Baptists in the United States and overseas. An information sheet about the Southern Baptist event says clergy participants will spend the night of April 22 on post at Ft. Bragg. Other activities will include a stop at Command Headquarters (“one of the most heavily secured areas at Ft. Bragg”), a Special Forces demonstration of “today’s war fighting weapons” (with “live fire/real bullets”), a visit to the “Shoot House” to learn how “Special Forces attack the enemy inside buildings (live fire/real bullets)” and a speech by Gen. Boykin along with informal time with him. A promotional flier produced by the Southern Baptist Lifeway Ministry describes Boykin as a devout Christian who strongly supports the FAITH outreach program. According to the flier, Boykin has told FAITH participants that “the way they are trained is like the concept of Special Forces training – one person trains 100, who in turn can train 10,000. It’s a forced multiplier training.” The flier quotes Boykin as saying about the current war on terrorism, “Bin Laden is not the enemy. No mortal is the enemy, It’s the enemy you can’t see. It’s a war against the forces of darkness. The battle won’t be won with guns. It will be won on our knees.” Americans United’s protest letter, signed by AU Legal Director Ayesha Khan and AU Legal Fellow Kerry Kornblatt Jowers, says the Ft. Bragg event is “constitutionally problematic” and insists that it be cancelled. “By personally hosting the event, providing overnight arrangements and special demonstrations to attendees, and by participating as a featured speaker, Major General Boykin is using his official position to advance the religious mission of FAITH Force Multipliers,” insisted the AU attorneys. “The U.S. Supreme Court has held, time and again, that government may not take action that entails the advancement of a religious message.” Americans United for Separation of Church and State is a religious liberty watchdog group based in Washington, D.C. Founded in 1947, the organization educates Americans about the importance of church-state separation in safeguarding religious freedom.

To: Alighieri who wrote (176692)	10/16/2003 2:07:39 AM
From: tejek	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1573599

seattletimes.nwsource.com Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - Page updated at 10:58 A.M. State Democrats blast Nethercutt for Iraq comment By David Ammons The Associated Press OLYMPIA — State Democrats have blistered Republican U.S. Rep. George Nethercutt for saying Iraq's reconstruction is "a better and more important story than losing a couple of soldiers every day." Democratic state Chairman Paul Berendt said Nethercutt has turned into "an administration shill who insults the service of the men and women brave enough to serve their country." Nethercutt replied that his remarks had been mischaracterized. He said he knows firsthand the sacrifice of American soldiers and deplores the continuing violence in Iraq. The Spokane congressman, best known for knocking off the sitting speaker of the U.S. House, Tom Foley, in 1994, told a University of Washington forum Monday that "the story of what we've done in the postwar period is remarkable," better than the news media are portraying. "It is a better and more important story than losing a couple of soldiers every day," he told his audience, while adding he did not want any more soldiers to die. After the remarks were published yesterday, the state Democratic Party declared Nethercutt was "insulting the service of hundreds of U.S. service men and women who have made the ultimate sacrifice for their country." Nethercutt is running for the U.S. Senate seat held by two-term incumbent Democrat Patty Murray. Nethercutt is part of a White House public relations offensive, the Democratic party said in a statement released by Berendt. "Yesterday, it was George Nethercutt's turn to sell the administration's failing Iraq policy," the party said. "But as he tried to marginalize the loss of hundreds of U.S. soldiers, Nethercutt insulted the memory of those who have died." Nethercutt replied, "It is unfortunate that some have chosen to mischaracterize my comments yesterday at the University of Washington. I just returned from Baghdad and Mosul, where I learned first hand of the personal sacrifices our troops are making in defense of the emerging democracy in Iraq. "Their successes on the battlefield and in winning the hearts and minds of the average Iraqi are woefully underreported by the media. ... "I deplore the ongoing violence in Iraq and attacks on American service members are reprehensible." Nethercutt said the news media need to tell the "story of hope and promise, the rebirth of a country ... even as we pray for the families that have lost loved ones in Iraq. "I support efforts to win the peace now that we have won the war. The faster we restore basic services and establish a sovereign government, the faster we can bring our own troops back home safely." Nethercutt spokeswoman April Gentry said the UW appearance was scheduled well before the White House began speaking out about reconstruction, and that the congressman's comments were not part of a coordinated effort. Copyright © 2003 The Seattle Times Company