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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Solon who wrote (77595)	10/16/2003 4:28:55 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

"The pervasive human ethic is that, 'clients should not be sexually exploited or abused during a massage session" Everybody else in the profession adheres to that ethic if they are competent of character and training. Good then we are agreeing on an ethic that is basic for this profession and in general for society? I am not sure you understand the idea of having a standard of ethic with more conservative or more liberal application. That should be easy for a relativist such as your self. ”If Moho's ethic was THEIR ethic they would not be so offended.” And the point that you seem to be missing is that the mojo ethic is BASED ON the standard ethic and applied at a more conservative level. ”The singularity of Moho is that he considers sexual arousal (where he is in any way in the picture) to harm him.” Whoa gus. That is quite a presumptuous statement. Everyone here seemed to agree from the start that people in the industry tend to take their gut feelings of “ickiness” pretty seriously and reserve the right to refuse service to anyone simply on gut notions. Maybe you missed that a month ago. In addition. It is quite common for male priests (heard it on Christian radio today) to refuse to meet with female parishioners, in private, for similar reasons. It is also common for them to advise the multitudes to take similar care in their daily lives. I have not heard of objections from followers on this issue, so I assume that many or most endorse it in their daily lives. Not only can and do situations arise in which the priest and parishioner can find their personal ethics compromised but false allegations of that are impossible to deflect. In most states if a woman points her finger and says that man molested me, the man is charged and any defense he might have is already weak since the charges are solidly based on the word of the person claiming to have been harmed. Circumstances are commonly viewed different by the two persons involved. The ethic of mojo is based on this broad standard that has a norm range of interpretation and regulation. He applies it at a more conservative level and one that is consistent with the notions other very conservative people hold. Individuals might vary to the degree that they view a particular situation exploitive vs non-exploitive, abusive or non-abusive. However, there is a norm range in which everybody agrees. Much of that agreement has to due with circumstantial aspects of how, where, or why someone has become actively sexual (beyond thinking about sex). Sexual arousal in and of itself is not at issue. Arousal is a degree of sexualization that we have already agreed is beyond just thinking about sex. We have already agreed that it has direction toward an object of arousal. We have already agreed that becoming aroused in some situations because of some object of fantasy, that has nothing to do with the relationship between the two persons present, might cause some awkwardness but would not, by itself, be objected to as having caused harm. We have already agreed that if it is directed at some one who is involved in the moment, it can be considered inappropriate in some settings. The harm is a violation of conscience for mojo regarding his willingness to be involved in sexualization that he considers inappropriate, as do his clientele. In addition he is harmed by a violation of this ethic via his responsibility for it occurring in this setting (provision of his services).