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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (12580)10/16/2003 9:02:59 PM
From: KyrosL  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 793917
 
I am very disappointed at those whining about the reconstruction costs, especially given the huge, already sunk, military costs. Generous early reconstruction is the only chance we have of avoiding a disaster and getting out early after restoring some semblance of order and maybe some democracy. The military costs we will save from an early disengagement are many times the $20 billion reconstruction tab.



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (12580)10/16/2003 9:24:12 PM
From: bearshark  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793917
 
>>>>Third, we care about our foreign image and it looks extremely bad when the richest country in the world demands loans from a poor and broken country that it has just conquered, even if the poor country has oil and is only poor because of misrule.<<<<

If the U. S. taxpayers provide grants to Iraq, would you accept provisions that require

1. All reconstruction work going to U. S. companies (One option would be to set goals and assistance for Iraqi participation as suppliers or subcontractors to U. S. firms in an effort to build Iraqi industry.)
2. Some guaranteed amount of Iraqi oil to be shipped to the U. S. each year for a period of decades. (One option is that U. S. taxpayers would pay for oil at the going rate and would receive a guarantee of so many barrels a day of future production.)



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (12580)10/16/2003 10:07:54 PM
From: LindyBill  Respond to of 793917
 
Amazing what pops up in Student Newspapers. "Yale Daily News"

Money Quote: He added that he does not think The New York Times and The Washington Post are objective. "If it's objective, then you would fall asleep reading it -- if you could still read it after throwing up on it," Lipsky said.
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'Sun' founder Lipsky inspires students at tea

BY HAO WANG
Contributing Reporter

A high school student reporter asked journalist Seth Lipsky how he would deal with a high school administration that is unsupportive of the school paper.

"What did I do in that situation?" Lipsky said, reflecting for a second before responding, "I started my own paper."

Besides his high school newspaper, Lipsky founded the Asian Wall Street Journal and helped lead The New York Sun and the Jewish newspaper Forward to prominence. He talked about his experiences creating distinct voices for newspapers at a Branford College Master's Tea Wednesday.

Born in Brooklyn and raised in Great Barrington, Mass., Lipsky said he began his journalistic career in ninth grade, when he started his first newspaper -- which he said was "thrown out" by the school. While at Harvard, he contributed to Time magazine.

After a brief stint at a local newspaper following graduation, Lipsky was drafted in 1969 to fight in the Vietnam War. He worked as a combat reporter for the Pacific Stars and Stripes. He then took his conservative politics and independent views to the Wall Street Journal, where he now works as a contributing editor.

Lipsky credited Peter Kann, a former correspondent for and current Chairman and CEO of Dow Jones & Company and the Journal's Publisher, as his inspiration for creating the Asian Wall Street Journal.

"Peter Kann believed that it was possible to have a paper based not on geography, but on a community of interests," Lipsky said.

After his time at the Asian Wall Street Journal, Lipsky began working for Forward. He eventually helped it become a national paper, but he said he soon realized that Forward's association with the Jewish community limited its circulation. Lipsky and the board of the paper also agreed that his conservative political views did not fit with the organization, he said, so he sold his shares back to Forward and started a new paper, The New York Sun.

Although many papers have been started and become defunct in New York, The New York Sun took root and now boasts a daily paid circulation of about 30,000. Lipsky credited the Sun's success to its undisguised conservatism and its focus on local issues.

"The logic of the Sun depends partly on the recognition that The New York Times has made a strategic shift in its decision to become a national newspaper," Lipsky said. "We ought to come in and make it a slogan to have New York on the front page [of every issue]."

Lipsky said he does not think the Sun should worry about objectivity or try to hide its political views.

"I don't believe in journalists having 'responsibility,'" Lipsky said.

He added that he does not think The New York Times and The Washington Post are objective.

"If it's objective, then you would fall asleep reading it -- if you could still read it after throwing up on it," Lipsky said.

But Lipsky said he thinks The New York Times is a "great paper."

Alice Phillips '05, who interned at the Sun this past summer and tutored Lipsky's children, said she thought Lipsky's accomplishments were "incredible."

"He started three newspapers, not including the high school one," Phillips said.

Eliana Johnson '06 said she was surprised by Lipsky's confidence in his newspapers.

"I was taken aback by how easy he made it sound," Johnson said.

URL of original article: yaledailynews.com



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (12580)10/16/2003 10:34:39 PM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793917
 
Malaysian Leader: 'Jews Rule World by Proxy'

Thursday, October 16, 2003

PUTRAJAYA, Malaysia — Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad (search) on Thursday told a summit of Islamic leaders that "Jews rule the world by proxy" and the world's 1.3 billion Muslims should unite, using non-violent means for a "final victory.

His speech at the Organization of the Islamic Conference (search) summit, which he was hosting, drew criticism from Jewish leaders, who warned it could spark more violence against Jews.

Mahathir, who is known for his outspoken, anti-Western rhetoric, criticized what he described as Jewish domination of the world and Muslim nations' inability to adequately respond to it as he opened the meeting of Islamic leaders from 57 nations.

"The Europeans killed 6 million Jews out of 12 million, but today the Jews rule the world by proxy," Mahathir said. "They get others to fight and die for them."

Malaysia, a democratic nation which has a large non-Muslim population and does not enforce strict Islamic law, has long been a critic of Israel's occupation of Palestinian territories and of U.S. policy in the Middle East, including the war in Iraq and its strong backing of the Jewish state.

Mahathir, 77, who is retiring on Oct. 31, has used almost every international podium to lambaste the West for two decades, winning a reputation as an outspoken champion of Third World causes.

"For well over half a century we have fought over Palestine. What have we achieved? Nothing. We are worse off than before," he said. "If we had paused to think, then we could have devised a plan, a strategy that can win us final victory."

The prime minister, who has turned his country into the world's 17th-ranked trading nation during his 22 years in power, said Jews "invented socialism, communism, human rights and democracy" to avoid persecution and gain control of the most powerful countries.

Mahathir added that "1.3 billion Muslims cannot be defeated by a few million Jews," but he suggested using political and economic tactics instead of violence.

Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Jonathan Peled expressed disappointment in the remarks but said he wasn't surprised.

"It is not new that in such forums there is always an attempt to reach of the lowest common denominator which is Israel bashing," he said in Jerusalem. "But obviously we'd like to see more moderate and responsible kind of declarations coming out of such summits."

Rabbi Abraham Cooper, associate dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center (search) in Los Angeles, said Mahathir has used anti-Israel statements in the past to prove he's tough on the West. But, he said, Thursday's speech was still worrisome.

"What is profoundly shocking and worrying is the venue of the speech, the audience and coming in the time we're living in," Cooper said during a visit to Jerusalem. "Mahathir's speech today is an absolute invitation for more hate crimes and terrorism against Jews. That's serious."

U.S. Ambassador to Malaysia Marie Huhtala declined to comment on Mahathir's speech. Washington was angered over a speech he made in February, as host of the Non-Aligned Movement of 117 countries, in which he described the looming war against Iraq as racist.

Afghan President Hamid Karzai said he supported Mahathir's analysis, which also included steps for how Muslim nations can develop economically and socially.

"It is great to hear Prime Minister Mahathir speak so eloquently on the problems of the ummah (Muslim world) and ways to remedy them," Karzai said. "His speech was an eye-opener to a lot of us and that is what the Islamic world should do."

The summit is the first since the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks reshaped global politics and comes at a time when many Muslims -- even U.S. allies -- feel the war on terrorism has become a war against them.

"It is well known that the Islamic community is being targeted today more than at any other time before in its creed, culture and social and political orientation," said Qatar's ruler, Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa al-Thani, who hosted the U.S. headquarters in the Iraq war.

The status of Iraq also proved a divisive issue. Malaysia resisted inviting the U.S.-picked Iraqi Governing Council, describing it as a puppet of American occupation. But Arab countries that have recognized the interim body prevailed and council representatives were attending the summit.

Leaders attending the summit included Jordan's King Abullah, Syrian President Bashar Assad, Morocco's King Mohammed VI, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf and Indonesian President Megawati Sukarnoputri.

Russian President Vladimir Putin and Philippine President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo are attending as special observers because of their large Muslim minorities.
foxnews.com



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (12580)10/16/2003 10:47:22 PM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793917
 
BREAKING NEWS FROM THE "TIMES!" Restaurant customers in Louisiana are against aid to Iraq. Does the "Times" think we will believe this a poll, or do they just like to spend their time in Southern Restaurants?
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THE PUBLIC MOOD
Taxpayers Are Restless on Billions in Aid for Iraq
By LYNETTE CLEMETSON

bATON ROUGE, La., Oct. 14 — Wil LaVergne and Chad Cannon argue regularly about politics. But on Tuesday, over heaping plates of fish, shrimp and softshell crab at Poor Boy Lloyd's, a downtown lunch spot, the two men, co-workers at an air-conditioning service company, had a rare meeting of the minds.

Mr. LaVergne, a Republican, and Mr. Cannon, a Democrat, are strongly critical of President Bush's request for $87 billion to finance military and reconstruction projects in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"It might make me feel more comfortable if the money wasn't all supposed to come from us," said Mr. LaVergne, 32. "They've got all of that oil. I don't see why we can't use money from Iraq's oil reserves to pay for what needs to be done."

Mr. Cannon and Shanon Courtade, a third co-worker sitting at the table, nodded in agreement.

"We need to support the troops," Mr. Cannon said. "And it's the Christian thing to do to repair the damage we caused there. But we could go and spend all that money rebuilding and then they just go and blow everything up again, because they don't have anything invested in it."

With the House and Senate expected to vote on the spending bill this week, the conditional support of the two men echoed sentiments voiced elsewhere around town and across the country. Though the legislation is expected to pass both houses, many members of Congress, responding in part to constituents' complaints, backed amendments that would require Iraq to repay part of the reconstruction costs from future oil revenues.

Senators John B. Breaux and Mary L. Landrieu of Louisiana, both Democrats, supported one such amendment, though the Senate voted it down on Tuesday night.

Mr. Cannon said part of his discomfort with the large financial package stemmed from seeing so much need at home. Louisiana, still feeling the effects of thousands of job losses over the past year, is facing projected state budget deficits. According to a variety of indicators, the state's public school system ranks near the bottom in the country in math and science proficiency.

"So many people in our country are hurting, needing," said Mr. Cannon, 34. "I just hate to see so much money going to looking after other people, when we can't seem to take care of our own."

Not everyone shares his views. At Webb's Barbershop, Shan Charles, a salesman for Frito-Lay and a Navy reservist, responded to a barber's disapproving comment about the spending request with a quick retort.

Mr. Charles, 31, said $87 billion was "a drop in the bucket," adding: "Our troops are over there working hard, but everyone expects things to be fixed overnight. I'm not sure where exactly the money is going. But I bet there's a good reason for every single dollar."

At Highland Coffees, just outside the gates of Louisiana State University, Dawson Bean, a minister with Campus Crusade for Christ, said he backed the bill mainly on moral grounds. "We owe it to the Iraqis to restore a sense of justice," said Mr. Bean, who described himself as a conservative independent.

As the vote on the spending bill nears, debates over its size and use are playing out across the country. At a town hall meeting this week in Spokane, Wash., Representative George Nethercutt, a Republican who supports the bill, fielded questions and comments on the aid package.

Glenn Bishop, an executive with the Boys and Girls Club in Spokane, said he supported reconstruction efforts, but added, "We've got to get financial support from other countries because we can't bear it by ourselves."

At Lulu's Cafe in San Antonio, Michael Behrens, the cook and general manager, argued that Americans were getting stuck "having to foot the bill" in Iraq. At a nearby table, Bill Sutton, from Orlando, Fla., and Paul Mott of Philadelphia, both sports marketing consultants, readily chimed in.

"That $87 billion is about $86 billion more than I'm willing to give," said Mr. Sutton, 52.

Mr. Mott, 45, agreed. "I feel the same way," he said. "Not only do I not believe we have a plan for Iraq, but I don't believe there can be a plan."

Back at Poor Boy Lloyd's, the spirited conversation between the co-workers carried on throughout lunch. Though it felt good to vent, Mr. Cannon said, passage of the bill was likely "a done deal anyway."

As they prepared to head back to work, Mr. Courtade voiced a concern that had come up a couple of times during the back and forth, a frustrating sense that no amount of spending would ease the tensions in Iraq.

"What's it going to fix?" he asked no one in particular. "We're probably going to end up back in there 10 years from now."

"Shoot," added Mr. LaVergne, the only one of the three men who generally supports Bush administration policies. "As much of a mess as we're in, we'll probably still be there 10 years from now."

nytimes.com