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To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (117081)	10/17/2003 8:51:50 PM
From: Original Mad Dog	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

an atheist and agnostic on alternate days I just knew you were a Godless heathen!

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (117081)	10/17/2003 9:14:38 PM
From: Jacob Snyder	Respond to of 281500

< It is only in the Sunni triangle that there are problems.> 4 U.S. soldiers died today in Iraq. None of the attacks were in the Sunni Triangle. <Those are simply your paranoid speculations.> No, it comes from an honest study of U.S. history, which shows a very consistent pattern: In every war the U.S. fights, civil liberties take a beating for the duration. This has been true since the Alien and Sedition Acts 200 years ago. <How? The 1st amendment is still valid.> Simple. The nation chooses to ignore the Constitution. It's happened before, it can happen again. From 1876 till the 1960s, we chose to ignore the Constitutional Amendments about freedom and voting rights for Blacks. We are already doing it, everybody knows about it, and almost nobody protests it. I'm talking about Guantanamo, where we haven't officially annexed a territory where we hold sovereign power, so the Constitution and courts and none of our freedoms apply there, and we set up a concentration camp. <Exactly which principles have I attacked?> You label criticism of the government as treason. This strikes at the heart of freedom of expression, and democracy. An electorate who isn't allowed to hear both sides of the argument, with all the relevant facts available for public scrutiny, cannot make informed decisions. <McCarthy was right, buddy.> That would make Jefferson wrong. I stand with Jefferson, and the rest of the Founding Fathers. You wave the flag, and think that makes you a patriot. You want to bring back McCarthy's UnAmerican Activities Committee (very similar to the Taliban's Ministry for the Prevention of Vice and Promotion of Virtue). You've forgotten what the flag is supposed to stand for.