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To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (117101)10/18/2003 12:59:55 AM
From: tsigprofit  Respond to of 281500
 
Asian Leaders Find China a More Cordial Neighbor
ANGKOK, Oct. 17 — More than 50 years of American dominance in Asia is subtly but unmistakably eroding as Asian countries look toward China as the increasingly vital regional power, political and business leaders in Asia say.
China's churning economic engine, coupled with trade deals and friendly diplomacy, have transformed it from a country to be feared to one that beckons, these regional leaders say.

That new, more benign view of China by its neighbors has emerged in the last year as President Bush is perceived in Asia to have pressed America's campaign on terror to the exclusion of almost everything else.

The most recent efforts by the administration to persuade China to revalue its currency are seen, many in the region say, as an unproductive use of American political capital.

Symbolically, perhaps, the Chinese president, Hu Jintao, landed a day ahead of Mr. Bush in Thailand, still basking in the afterglow of China's first space mission. The Chinese leader was welcomed with banner headlines and a sumptuous dinner given by King Bhumibol in his golden-roofed Bangkok palace.

Both leaders are being accorded a state visit to Thailand before the opening on Monday of the 21-member Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation meeting. Then, almost in tandem, they will move south to Australia, where Mr. Bush will address Parliament on Thursday, followed the next day by Mr. Hu.

The United States' two most important strategic Asian allies, Japan and South Korea, are particularly benefiting from China's growth. Last year for the first time, Japan's imports from China surpassed those from the United States. At the same time, Japanese exports to China surged by 39.3 percent. China has now become South Korea's largest trading partner.

One prominent Singaporean businessman, Ho Kwon Ping, illustrates the shift in Asian attitudes toward China. Compared to a year ago, he said, Asians are viewing China as a "cup half full, not half empty."

Mr. Ho, the executive chairman of the Banyan Tree Resorts hotel chain and a member of the board of Singapore Airlines, gave speeches in Hong Kong and London last year describing China as a juggernaut poised to smother the weak economies and less educated populations of Southeast Asia.

Now, he says, "The perception is that China is trying to do its best to please, assist, accommodate its neighbors while the United States is perceived as a country involved more and more on its own foreign policy agenda, and strong-arming everyone onto that agenda."

China is streaking ahead, developing its technology, advanced education and scientific and other research at extraordinary rates, and Asian countries now see that as an opportunity.

"They are not seeing a China that threatens their economic livelihood," Mr. Ho said.

The United States remains the region's biggest trading partner, but trade between China and the rest of Asia is booming, and China is also offering attractive add-ons: new investment and nonthreatening diplomacy. In a direct challenge to the United States, Prime Minister Wen Jiabao of China urged Southeast Asian nations last week to achieve $100 billion worth of trade with China in two years, nearly double the current $55 billion volume. American trade with the 10 members of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, or Asean, was $120 billion in 2001.

There, and farther south, in Australia, China is scooping up raw materials that it needs for its rapid modernization: liquid natural gas from Indonesia and Australia, iron ore from Australia, rubber and palm oil from Malaysia.

In Australia, President Hu is planning to sign an agreement that will make China not just a customer but an investor in the North West Shelf gas venture.

China began its formal courtship with the countries of Southeast Asia a year and a half ago when it offered a free trade agreement with the members of Asean by 2015.

The United States countered last October with the Enterprise for Asean Initiative, a plan to offer bilateral free trade agreements with Southeast Asian countries that were already members of the World Trade Organization.

Washington completed the first of those with Singapore this summer. President Bush is expected to announce the start of a similar agreement with Thailand this weekend



To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (117101)10/18/2003 1:04:15 AM
From: Bilow  Respond to of 281500
 
Hi Lazarus_Long; Re: "And then there was the American Civil War. Sporadic armed resistance ..."

The occupation of the South was an occupation of a white, Christian, English speaking North American region by a white, Christian, English speaking North American region. Hardly a combination of differences likely to create a long term resistance.

By contrast, the US occupation of Iraq is an occupation of Arabic, Moslem, Arabic speaking Asian region by a white, Christian, English speaking North American region. You really couldn't ask for a much more explosive mixture.

Re: "It's not nearly that simple. Victories have ultimately been won and peace achieved in spite of resistance by remnants who have to be killed to the last man."

I agree that if you kill the resistance members "to the last man", you have a victory, (LOL), but that simply isn't going to happen in Iraq any more than it is going to happen in Palestine.

The feelings of not only the Arabs, but most of the Moslem world in general was well expressed recently by the Malaysian leader, who basically said that the US was doing the work of the Israelis. It is this connection, between our policies in Iraq and Israel's policies in Palestine, that make our pacification program impossible.

-- Carl



To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (117101)10/19/2003 6:25:32 AM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
What should Arnold do? Send out layoff notices to three times as many employees as Personnel is planning to layoff. That will cover the layoff now, and the layoff to come. Then give the Union a choice. Cut the Salaries and Bennies an equivalent amount, or they will be laid off. The Unions doesn't want to lose the union dues. Let them fight it out among themselves. Give them about a week. Just before Christmas.
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latimes.com

State Workers Facing Layoffs
Davis signed off on $1.1 billion in payroll cuts, but he has made few. Thousands could lose jobs by Christmas if Schwarzenegger acts.
By Jeffrey l. Rabin
Times Staff Writer

8:10 PM PDT, October 18, 2003

It's one more item on the list of state budget headaches that Arnold Schwarzenegger is inheriting: To keep the current year's budget in balance, the new governor may need to lay off thousands of state workers — just in time for Christmas.

That prospect exists because the current budget, which Gov. Gray Davis signed in August, counts on saving $1.1 billion by reducing state payroll costs. The savings were supposed to come from a combination of layoffs, leaving vacant positions open and renegotiating union contracts.

During the summer, the Davis administration notified about 12,000 state workers that they could be laid off. The state has approximately 200,000 employees, not including people employed by the state university systems whose jobs are not covered by the spending-reduction plan.

Davis, who was seeking support from state workers and their unions in the recall campaign, did not follow through on the layoffs. So far, fewer than 500 workers actually have been let go, and administration officials agree that the governor has little incentive to lay off anyone else in his remaining weeks on the job.

"I don't think there is going to be much of that for the next month," said state Personnel Director Marty Morgenstern.

That leaves Schwarzenegger with the tough choice of whether to accept a billion-dollar hole in the budget or to terminate thousands of state workers, a move that could be politically difficult and harm California's economy by increasing unemployment.

Schwarzenegger is to be sworn in as governor in mid-November. If he issues the required 30-day notices of layoffs right away, workers will lose their jobs during the holiday season. If he delays, more workers will have to be cut to accumulate the required savings by June 30, the end of the fiscal year. Already, a quarter of the fiscal year is gone, and the state is nowhere near its target for payroll reductions.

"There are a number of issues related to the state budget that the governor-elect is going to have to address," said H.D. Palmer, a spokesman for Schwarzenegger. "This will be one of them."

Palmer noted that the budget passed by the Legislature and signed by the governor last summer is law unless it is changed. It requires a reduction in state spending on its workforce.

State Budget Director Steve Peace said Friday that most departments of state government have prepared spending reduction plans that he has approved. But the Department of Personnel Administration also must review layoff plans before the final 30-day notices can go out to employees. Morgenstern said most decisions on whether to proceed with the layoffs would fall to the next administration.

"If he came in here and continued with our procedures, some of these layoff could occur during the holidays," Morgenstern said.

During the campaign, Schwarzenegger said one way he would cut spending would be to renegotiate pay and benefit packages for state workers. One of the planks in his 10-point plan for his first 100 days in office calls for him to "renegotiate state employee union contracts to get better deal for taxpayers." He has provided no details.

Jim Hard, director of the California State Employees Assn.'s civil service division, said the new two-year contract, which expires June 30, 2005, does not allow Schwarzenegger to unilaterally reopen negotiations with the union, which represents more than 90,000 state workers. Under the contract, the union — not the governor — has that right, he said, adding that the union would agree to do so only if it benefits the workers.

But Schwarzenegger may have some leverage in the decision: Reopening negotiations to cut pay and benefits could mean fewer layoffs.

The prospect of layoffs has created "tremendous concern" among state workers, Hard said. "The issue of layoffs is our No. 1 issue," he said. "He's going to come in and have to deal with it. It's very bad for our membership. We're very, very concerned."

Hard said he had sent a letter of congratulation to Schwarzenegger after the election and had offered to discuss ways to reduce the number of layoffs. To date, the union has not received a response from the governor-elect's transition staff. The association is affiliated with the Service Employees International Union, one of the biggest supporters of Davis during the recall campaign.

Unlike Davis, who drew his major financial support during the recall from unions, Schwarzenegger refused to accept any donations from organized labor, calling it a special interest and noting that, as governor, he would have to negotiate with those that represent state workers.

Economists who study California's labor force also have expressed worries about the possible effect of layoffs. The UCLA Anderson Forecast of the state economy has noted that concentrated layoffs of large numbers of state employees could slow economic growth. That, in turn, could reduce state revenues, worsening the budget picture.

Hard said officials of the State Employees Assn. assume that there will not be 12,000 layoffs. But he said the ultimate number of state workers who lose their jobs is likely to be "significantly larger than 500."

The effort to reduce the state payroll got seriously underway in May, when Davis called for cutting $800 million in spending on state employee salaries as part of an overall effort to close what was then a $38-billion hole in the budget for this year. The Legislature later increased the amount of savings from state employee salaries to $1.1 billion.

Other steps that went into closing the budget gap included borrowing money by selling bonds, tripling the car tax, changing accounting procedures and cutting some spending. Of those measures, the bond sales are being challenged in court, and Schwarzenegger has said he wants to roll back the car-tax increase — a step that would create a $4-billion budget hole.

To meet the target for payroll savings while avoiding layoffs, the Davis administration sought contract concessions from state employee unions. But that effort succeeded in saving only an estimated $185 million. As a result, if the $1.1-billion goal is to be met, layoffs of employees will have to be the main tool, according to state budget officials.

Morgenstern said court orders and staffing requirements restrict the state's ability to eliminate some jobs. Because of that, the chances of being laid off vary from department to department, he said.

Beyond the legal restrictions, budget cutters face political constraints as well. For instance, of the 12,000 people who were notified this summer that their jobs could be at risk, more than 3,000 work for the state prison system, which employs about 15% of the state's employees.

Laying off workers in the prisons could require releasing some inmates, corrections department officials have warned.

"If I were a nurse in a state prison, I would be fairly confident they weren't going to lay me off," Morgenstern said. But, he added, if he were an employee in an area that is "not an essential service of government, I would be fairly uncomfortable."