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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (117233)10/19/2003 7:03:55 PM
From: marcos  Respond to of 281500
 
'you start calling 9/11 a mere crime' - never have i used the adjective 'mere', Hawk ... there is no 'mere' about the crime of killing human beings, it's murder, a serious crime in the natural law of all civilisations .... you're not reading what i type, apparently, perhaps you'd like to click back and review? ..... i made it plain that i thought the al Qaeda attacks of 11.09.01 heinous, diabolical, damaging to the health of the species ... let me stress that - i think them on a par with the crimes of Reagan in 1980s Nicaragua

To me, the term 'crime' denotes automatically an heinous nature to an action, and automatically lowers the status of the perp some considerable degree from 'warrior', while 'war' can often be justified by various arguments, pretty much always is in fact, by all sides involved ...... to use the term on the bin Laden bunch is counterproductive, in my view, they are just demented religious dickheads, to be hunted down, killed or placed in prison, every one without exception .... these are no warriors, for attacking civilians we should not hand them that honour, any more than we should honour Reagan for brutalising noncombatant campesinos, and blowing off the arms and legs of children with his land mines

And you'll note that i favoured canadian participation in the invasion of Afghanistan, as hot pursuit of criminals ... just go back and read, please

I agree completely, contrary to, ahem, 'fantasies of people of your ilk', that 'international law .... consists only of a series of treaties, mutual understandings, and generally accepted protocols (so long as they are convenient, that is) amongst governments.' ..... yes that's exactly true as stated, my point is that we need to improve our 'treaties, mutual understandings, and generally accepted protocols' ..... much of your criticism of the UN has basis in fact, yes that's true, well my point is that we must build a better one, pretty much jack up the nameplate and slide all new parts under, actually .... one quibble here, i think the UN did authorise military force in Korea, but of course only because the russians were outside in the hall pouting

In the specific case of Iraq, some much better working 'treaties, mutual understandings, and generally accepted protocols' prior to invasion would now be aiding the US a great deal ..... the way this was done, one nation taking it upon themselves to roll tanks across another on the opposite side of the planet, is scaring the Rest of Us, it sets a very poor precedent .... continues the very old and very uncivilised precedent of Genghis Khan and others before him, it's not new, to be sure, but it is emphatically undemocratic ...... with a quorum of functional democracies onside like in Afghanistan, that's enough, 'jury of your peers' and all that .... you'll know always when the alliance is adequate for action, it's when the canucks are queued up at the starting line, with bells on .... well back to the garden .... try to read a little more carefully, huh ..... cháu