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To: Sun Tzu who wrote (70736)	10/20/2003 12:57:24 AM
From: Rainy_Day_Woman	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 70976

I know I'm making a point so do you it was a sexist remark and yes, I know an American woman who dated and was engaged to a Saudi - life is hell for a female is Saudi Arabia but I waste my time with someone who references to Jerry Springer shows and is in touch with his inner Taliban

To: Sun Tzu who wrote (70736)	10/20/2003 1:39:38 AM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 70976

I've been to Saudi. Let's include them. Let's see, a man leaves his hotel room- -trailed by 4 little heads all covered in black. Including the veil, of course. Women go to jail in Saudi for appearing in public without the veil. I stayed at the Hyatt in Riyadh. It periodically got raided by the religious police (yes, they have religious police in addition to civil police) because it didn't enforce the veil requirement in the hotel. Restaurants have single-male and family sections. Married men can eat in either. Women must eat in the family section. Busses have a crosswise steel partition down the middle. The back half is for women (of course! :-). Women (of ANY nationality) cannot leave the country without being accompanied to the airport or border crossing by a close male relative, father or husband preferred. They must have his permission to leave the country. And he has to physically be there to give it. You see maybe 10% as many women about on the streets there as you do here. They are largely kept inside, locked away. A lovely life, I'm sure. These aren't "statistics". This is up-close-and-personal knowledge.