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To: carranza2 who wrote (117288)10/20/2003 2:23:25 PM
From: marcos  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
'The separation of church and state is the elephant in the tent no Islamic leader dares talk about.'

Agreed, yes .... same as when you substitute 'prominent israeli' for 'Islamic' in the above ... this 'freedom of religion' you claim israeli residents enjoy is but a relative thing, the -Staat is expressly a 'homeland for the jews' and, as discussed way above, the rabbis control a great deal like marriage and immigration law, under which arabs are treated as second class citizens ..... so i guess relatively speaking you could call Israel 'moderate' on this issue, compared to say Spain under Torquemada, if they weren't bulldozing the houses of arabs and firing rockets around the neighbourhoods, but they are, so you can't really, can you

'Islamic countries are doomed until there is a complete and effective separation between state and church and unfettered freedom of religion.'

Agreed .... it works even better when you broaden it to fit - 'Countries based on whackismo are doomed unless and until they stop whacking.'

'Didn't hear Mahathir talk about that, did you? And you won't.'

I don't hear you or Nadine or Hawk or Neo admitting the fundamental flaw in the whole concept of Whackenstaat, either ..... and yes, i know i probably won't -g- ...... cheers

[edit] - [missed this] - 'What do you propose be done about the WTC crime? Not go after AQ, despite its numerous bombings and the dangers it poses? What you see as "milking" I see as self-defense.'

Afghanistan was self-defense, hot pursuit of criminals based on evidence adequate to convince a quorum of indpendent democracies to go in ..... Iraq was not self-defense, not hot pursuit, not based on evidence adequate to bring in a quorum of independent democracies, therefore the invasion of Iraq as we've seen it executed this year was aggression

'how do you figure that the US or its neocon officials "rule the world?" '

Hunt me up the names of the signers of that PNAC policy statement, would you please? ... don't have much time in the next hour or so, tia ..... alphabetically the list starts with Abrams of centroamericano criminal fame, and ends with Wolfowitz of current middle east criminal fame, if memory serves ..... al rato, cháu