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To: Sun Tzu who wrote (70793)	10/21/2003 12:35:56 PM
From: Rainy_Day_Woman	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 70976

Social Behavior in Public. Females are prohibited from driving vehicles or riding bicycles on public roads, or in places where they might be observed. Males and females beyond childhood are not free to congregate together in most public places, and a man may be arrested for being seen with, walking with, traveling with, or driving a woman other than his wife or immediate relative. In Saudi Arabia, playing of music or dancing in public, mixed bathing, public showing of movies, and consumption of alcoholic beverages are forbidden. [guess 8 1/2 won't play there] Saudi religious police, known as Mutawwa, have been empowered to enforce the conservative interpretation of Islamic codes of dress and behavior for women, and may rebuke or harass women who do not cover their heads or whose clothing is insufficiently concealing. In addition, in more conservative areas, there have been incidents of private Saudi citizens stoning, accosting, or pursuing foreigners, including U.S. citizens, for perceived dress code or other infractions. While most such incidents have resulted in little more than inconvenience or embarrassment for the individual targeted, there have been incidents where Westerners were physically harmed.[get out the jallabia] Alcohol and Drugs. Import, manufacture, possession, and consumption of alcoholic beverages or drugs are strictly forbidden. Saudi officials make no exceptions. Americans have spent up to a year in Saudi prisons for alcohol-related offenses. Americans have also been sentenced to receive 75 or more lashes in lieu of prison for failing a blood test for alcohol. Travelers should also exercise extreme care and discretion when consuming alcohol on flights landing in the Kingdom. Persons obviously inebriated are subject to arrest or deportation. [not a fun vacation destination]

To: Sun Tzu who wrote (70793)	10/22/2003 12:07:57 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 70976

But it does go to show the pressures are on both sides. THere are lots of pressures in lots of situations in life. They hardly justify the extreme step of murder. Are you Middle Eastern? You seem to be trying to put up a spirited defense of some rather barbarous customs. Dig a bit deeper and you will see it is about how the society equally forces the men and women to play their rolls wether they like it or not. Nuts. Society forces you to do nothing, not even obey its laws. You merely have to be willing to take the consequences of not doing so. Remember Gandhi? Martin Luther King? If it hurts so badly, don't do it. It doesn't. Not really. Lame attempt at a personal attack. There you go again discussing murder. But we were discussing murder. Message 19418201 What do YOU call that if not murder? What of this? Message 18835093 You want to show me where I said that? Give me a challenge next time. Message 19413452 The issue is purely cultural and not religious. Solon's shown up. He's much better at this than I. I'll leave this part to him. Given a choice between Quran and Torah False dichotomy. If anything, the West is primarily Christian, not Jewish.