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To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (44836)10/21/2003 3:49:24 AM
From: IQBAL LATIF  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 50167
 
Cyber-Stalking Paul Krugman
These days people like David Warsh, who used to write about how the New York Times's editors needed to hold Paul Krugman to "elementary standards of courtesy and fair play" now write that Krugman "turned out to be absolutely right [on the California electricity mess]. The industry’s conduct was the real story in California— 'looting' behavior every bit as shocking... as that of many bankers in the... American savings and loan crisis... And Krugman played the key role in alerting the rest of the world..."

So it seems like it's time for an update on Paul Krugman's principal cyber-stalker caballeros. How are they doing as it becomes more and more clear that Krugman was right about more and more things? I took a look at the top three, and pickings are slim:

Andrew Sullivan appears to be continuing his cyber-stalk, and attempted trashing, Paul Krugman. But the stalking and trashing is absolutely pitiful--he's clearly just going through the motions. Here are the last four examples:

October 16, 2003: BAD DAY FOR KRUGMAN: More people are getting jobs.

September 30, 2003: FINALLY, DIVERSITY: At the NYT, David Brooks writes about Paul Krugman.

September 30, 2003: And since I'm not part of the Krugmanian Bush-Is-Hitler/Nixon/Saddam crowd, I'll leave the hyper-ventilating to Josh Marshall until we know more.

September 30, 2003: Jeffrey Sachs , formerly sane Columbia University professor, joining the Krugman wing of the Democrats.

Note that Sullivan has absolutely no complaints to make about Paul Krugman's writings--how could he? Does he want to argue that the Bush administration was clear and straight with America on the reasons it went into Iraq? That Bush economic policy would not be better if it had been made by bonobos? That Bush social policy is a light unto the nations?

So he adopts a bizarre rhetorical strategy--that to call someone a "Krugman" is to call them something bad, but that he cannot be bothered to explain or even mention anything Paul Krugman has written that is wrong.

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Mickey Kaus appears to have given up his cyber-stalking. He hasn't tried to sink the knife in since June 12. But before he quit the business, his attempts had gotten as lame as Sullivan's--indications that Kaus simply wasn't listening when people patiently told him that extra productivity growth is a good thing when demand is (or can be made to) grow as fast as productive potential, but that extra productivity growth causes disappointingly bad news about employment when demand growth is insufficient:

June 12, 2003: Articles like Dionne's... suggest that... the latest Bush tax cuts will give Democrats--when they get back into power--more room to add necessary health care spending... [But] even Dionne--and Paul Krugman , who also got a column out of Obey's stunt--don't convince me that the second round of Bush tax cuts was a good idea.

May 8, 2003: Paul Krugman's Web-only explanation.... Why not make this a NYT column? [ Not partisan and dumbed-down enough?...

April 20, 2003: Paul Krugman... with high-status people who disagree... tones down his hyperbolic Bushies-are-evil last-angry-man foaming...

March 25, 2003: But wait. Wasn't it only five months ago that Paul Krugman was telling us rapid labor force growth was bad, because "an economy that is growing, but in which employment grows more slowly than the labor force... will feel like it's still in recession.".... [T]he favorable productivity trend, which Krugman describes as a dark lining, becomes more of a silver cloud -- boosting the overall wealth even a smaller labor force can produce?

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The last of the Three Krugman cyber-stalking caballeros, however, is still in there trying. National Review (motto: Joe McCarthy was misunderstood)-financed Donald Luskin, in between pushing books with titles like The Bush Boom (I kid you not), trying to forget that he has accused senior members of the White House staff of being members of a conspiracy to commit treason, and pretending to wax wroth at being accused of cyber-stalking (if he really does think Krugman has accused him of a felony, he's much stupider than even I thought possible), does keep trying.

In his latest, he attacks Paul Krugman for offenses like running a "campaign of lies, exaggerations, and sexed-up intelligence designed to fool the American people into thinking that America's federal budget deficit is a deadly threat."

Well, here's a (significantly overoptimistic) chart using the deficit projections from the Bush administration's last ("Rosy Scenario") budget submission:

Luskin's big problem is that Bush administration projections, using Bush administration forecasts of economic growth, assuming that the laws are what the Bush administration wants them to be--projections tuned to be overoptimistic with the return of "Rosy Scenario"--say that we are exactly where Paul Krugman says we are: the policies of the Bush Administration put the U.S. once more on the path to national bankruptcy in that they direct us to a place a couple of decades hence where the commitments of the government--to defense, administration of justice, the safety net, and the large elderly programs of Medicare and Social Security--will be far beyond the reach of federal revenues.

Because the Bush administration's long-run deficit projections are within shouting distance of everybody else's, Luskin couldn't challenge Krugman on the economics even if he wanted to (and knew how to: think of the economic skill and judgment of a guy who would start a mutual fund in 1999 must be). So he is in as bad shape (if much more voluble shape) as the others.

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So I think it is long past time to ask these three guys to simply shut up. And I proceed to do so. Andy: since you agree that Paul has the economics and the social policy right--and that your judgments of the Bushes were completely wrong--can't you just admit you were wrong? Mickey, doesn't the same apply to you? Luskin: can't you just stop taking up useless airspace? Nobody inside or outside the White House save you believes that we are going to grow our way out of the Bush deficits.

Think how much happier all of us would be if these caballeros would just leave the field clear for intellectual adversaries who might be closer to Paul Krugman's caliber...



To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (44836)10/21/2003 4:12:56 AM
From: IQBAL LATIF  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 50167
 
Muslim revival spreads in Spain
Craig S. Smith/NYT NYT Tuesday, October 21, 2003
Movement's roots are European, not fundamentalism

GRANADA, Spain Muslims are back in this ancient Moorish stronghold, the last bastion of Islam in Spain before the 15th-century emir Boabdil kissed King Ferdinand's hand and relinquished the city with a legendary sigh.
.
But the men kneeling in prayer at the city's new mosque, the first built here in more than 500 years, are not modern-day Moors; they are people of European descent.
.
"We've come to offer society the only alternative that exists to lead it out of chaos," said one of the community's founders, Hajj Abdulhasib Castieira, a tall, bearded Spaniard in a glen plaid jacket and suede brogues.
.
While immigration is gradually spreading Islam across Europe, a homegrown movement is giving it added momentum in Spain. Here a generation of post-Franco intellectuals is reassessing the country's Moorish past and recasting Spanish identity to include Islamic influences rejected as heretical centuries ago.
.
The movement has its roots not in the austere Islamic fundamentalism that dominates popular Western imagination these days, but in the Beat Generation and the hippies who pursued spiritual quests to Morocco when it was a counterculturalist Mecca of sun, sand and cheap hashish.
.
There, a young patrician Scot, Ian Dallas, converted to Islam. He eventually changed his name to Sheik Abdalqadir al-Murabit and returned to Britain, where he began gathering Western converts who became known as the Murabitun.
.
The movement is marked by his proselytizing vision, which strives to found an Islamic caliphate with an economy based on gold dinars. A handful of Spaniards accepted Islam under his tutelage on the eve of Franco's death in 1975 and returned to Córdoba to start an Islamic community there.
.
Religious conversion has a long tradition in Spain, a land as close to Muslim North Africa as to the rest of Christian Europe across the Pyrenees. During 800 years of Islamic rule, many Christians converted to Islam.
.
"All of this makes Spanish people more prone to accept Islam," said Castieira, sitting on a sofa outside his small office in the hillside mosque.
.
The new Muslims attracted leftist intellectuals looking for spiritual alternatives to the strict Catholicism that dominated life under Franco. Spain's Muslim converts now number in the tens of thousands, although many of the new Muslims no longer follow Sheik Abdalqadir.
.
The converts insist their faith is not driven by nostalgia for an idealized history.
.
"We reject the romantic idea of a return to the Islam of the past," said Malik Abderrahman Ruiz, a Granada native who converted in 1992 and is the community's emir. "We've created a new community of this place and this time."
.
Granada has about 15,000 Muslims today, mostly Moroccan and Syrian immigrants and North African students who worship at three nondescript Muslim prayer rooms in different parts of town.
.
But the town's 1,000 or so converts are very significant, Ruiz said, because they give Islam a voice that cannot be ignored. Granada's Islamic Council, for example, has been lobbying to stop annual celebrations of the fall of Granada into Christian hands.
.
Castieira joined the original Spanish converts in Córdoba and became a Muslim in 1977. Later, at an Arab leadership conference in Seville, Granada's socialist mayor encouraged him and other Muslims to move to the city.
.
"He said if we ever build a mosque, it should be in Granada because the last stronghold of the old Muslim community should be the first of the new," Castieira said.
.
Eventually a small group of converts settled in the city's old Moorish quarter, Albaícin, looking across at the Alhambra, the medieval Moorish citadel that was the center of Islamic power on the Iberian peninsula. They found land for a mosque and in 1981, Castieira and another convert embarked on a trip to the Gulf, hoping to gather the $10,000 they needed to buy the land.
.
They accepted contributions from Libya, Morocco and even Malaysia but much of the financing came from the Emir of Sharjah, one of the rulers of the United Arab Emirates. They say they rejected any support offered with strings attached.
.
By the time the financing was in place, though, Granada's socialist mayor was gone and local opposition kept the project from going forward for 20 years.
.
Across Europe, plans to build mosques have met resistance in traditionally Christian communities, where people worry that the growth of Islam is changing the character of their towns.
.
But nowhere, perhaps, has a mosque stirred as much emotion as in Granada, where the proposed location, across a ravine from the reddish-brown ramparts of Islam's last stand, carries unmistakable symbolism. At one point, the city offered Castieira and his colleagues a building site in an industrial zone on the outskirts of town.
.
"Political lobbies have done everything they could to stop this mosque," he said, adding that a core of "right-wing Catholic families" continued an expensive legal battle against the mosque until the end.
.
The mosque was scaled down to half its proposed size and the height of its Spanish-style minaret was cut to satisfy local demands. Even then, the Muslims were asked to first build a full-scale model of the minaret to reassure the neighborhood.
.
Today, the whitewashed brick mosque blends seamlessly into the increasingly gentrified neighborhood. Hundreds of tourists visit the garden each day and Castieira said a few people convert to Islam there each week.
.
The New York Times

< < Back to Start of Article Movement's roots are European, not fundamentalism

GRANADA, Spain Muslims are back in this ancient Moorish stronghold, the last bastion of Islam in Spain before the 15th-century emir Boabdil kissed King Ferdinand's hand and relinquished the city with a legendary sigh.
.
But the men kneeling in prayer at the city's new mosque, the first built here in more than 500 years, are not modern-day Moors; they are people of European descent.
.
"We've come to offer society the only alternative that exists to lead it out of chaos," said one of the community's founders, Hajj Abdulhasib Castieira, a tall, bearded Spaniard in a glen plaid jacket and suede brogues.
.
While immigration is gradually spreading Islam across Europe, a homegrown movement is giving it added momentum in Spain. Here a generation of post-Franco intellectuals is reassessing the country's Moorish past and recasting Spanish identity to include Islamic influences rejected as heretical centuries ago.
.
The movement has its roots not in the austere Islamic fundamentalism that dominates popular Western imagination these days, but in the Beat Generation and the hippies who pursued spiritual quests to Morocco when it was a counterculturalist Mecca of sun, sand and cheap hashish.
.
There, a young patrician Scot, Ian Dallas, converted to Islam. He eventually changed his name to Sheik Abdalqadir al-Murabit and returned to Britain, where he began gathering Western converts who became known as the Murabitun.
.
The movement is marked by his proselytizing vision, which strives to found an Islamic caliphate with an economy based on gold dinars. A handful of Spaniards accepted Islam under his tutelage on the eve of Franco's death in 1975 and returned to Córdoba to start an Islamic community there.
.
Religious conversion has a long tradition in Spain, a land as close to Muslim North Africa as to the rest of Christian Europe across the Pyrenees. During 800 years of Islamic rule, many Christians converted to Islam.
.
"All of this makes Spanish people more prone to accept Islam," said Castieira, sitting on a sofa outside his small office in the hillside mosque.
.
The new Muslims attracted leftist intellectuals looking for spiritual alternatives to the strict Catholicism that dominated life under Franco. Spain's Muslim converts now number in the tens of thousands, although many of the new Muslims no longer follow Sheik Abdalqadir.
.
The converts insist their faith is not driven by nostalgia for an idealized history.
.
"We reject the romantic idea of a return to the Islam of the past," said Malik Abderrahman Ruiz, a Granada native who converted in 1992 and is the community's emir. "We've created a new community of this place and this time."
.
Granada has about 15,000 Muslims today, mostly Moroccan and Syrian immigrants and North African students who worship at three nondescript Muslim prayer rooms in different parts of town.
.
But the town's 1,000 or so converts are very significant, Ruiz said, because they give Islam a voice that cannot be ignored. Granada's Islamic Council, for example, has been lobbying to stop annual celebrations of the fall of Granada into Christian hands.
.
Castieira joined the original Spanish converts in Córdoba and became a Muslim in 1977. Later, at an Arab leadership conference in Seville, Granada's socialist mayor encouraged him and other Muslims to move to the city.
.
"He said if we ever build a mosque, it should be in Granada because the last stronghold of the old Muslim community should be the first of the new," Castieira said.
.
Eventually a small group of converts settled in the city's old Moorish quarter, Albaícin, looking across at the Alhambra, the medieval Moorish citadel that was the center of Islamic power on the Iberian peninsula. They found land for a mosque and in 1981, Castieira and another convert embarked on a trip to the Gulf, hoping to gather the $10,000 they needed to buy the land.
.
They accepted contributions from Libya, Morocco and even Malaysia but much of the financing came from the Emir of Sharjah, one of the rulers of the United Arab Emirates. They say they rejected any support offered with strings attached.
.
By the time the financing was in place, though, Granada's socialist mayor was gone and local opposition kept the project from going forward for 20 years.
.
Across Europe, plans to build mosques have met resistance in traditionally Christian communities, where people worry that the growth of Islam is changing the character of their towns.
.
But nowhere, perhaps, has a mosque stirred as much emotion as in Granada, where the proposed location, across a ravine from the reddish-brown ramparts of Islam's last stand, carries unmistakable symbolism. At one point, the city offered Castieira and his colleagues a building site in an industrial zone on the outskirts of town.
.
"Political lobbies have done everything they could to stop this mosque," he said, adding that a core of "right-wing Catholic families" continued an expensive legal battle against the mosque until the end.
.
The mosque was scaled down to half its proposed size and the height of its Spanish-style minaret was cut to satisfy local demands. Even then, the Muslims were asked to first build a full-scale model of the minaret to reassure the neighborhood.
.
Today, the whitewashed brick mosque blends seamlessly into the increasingly gentrified neighborhood. Hundreds of tourists visit the garden each day and Castieira said a few people convert to Islam there each week.
.
The New York Times Movement's roots are European, not fundamentalism

GRANADA, Spain Muslims are back in this ancient Moorish stronghold, the last bastion of Islam in Spain before the 15th-century emir Boabdil kissed King Ferdinand's hand and relinquished the city with a legendary sigh.
.
But the men kneeling in prayer at the city's new mosque, the first built here in more than 500 years, are not modern-day Moors; they are people of European descent.
.
"We've come to offer society the only alternative that exists to lead it out of chaos," said one of the community's founders, Hajj Abdulhasib Castieira, a tall, bearded Spaniard in a glen plaid jacket and suede brogues.
.
While immigration is gradually spreading Islam across Europe, a homegrown movement is giving it added momentum in Spain. Here a generation of post-Franco intellectuals is reassessing the country's Moorish past and recasting Spanish identity to include Islamic influences rejected as heretical centuries ago.
.
The movement has its roots not in the austere Islamic fundamentalism that dominates popular Western imagination these days, but in the Beat Generation and the hippies who pursued spiritual quests to Morocco when it was a counterculturalist Mecca of sun, sand and cheap hashish.
.
There, a young patrician Scot, Ian Dallas, converted to Islam. He eventually changed his name to Sheik Abdalqadir al-Murabit and returned to Britain, where he began gathering Western converts who became known as the Murabitun.
.
The movement is marked by his proselytizing vision, which strives to found an Islamic caliphate with an economy based on gold dinars. A handful of Spaniards accepted Islam under his tutelage on the eve of Franco's death in 1975 and returned to Córdoba to start an Islamic community there.
.
Religious conversion has a long tradition in Spain, a land as close to Muslim North Africa as to the rest of Christian Europe across the Pyrenees. During 800 years of Islamic rule, many Christians converted to Islam.
.
"All of this makes Spanish people more prone to accept Islam," said Castieira, sitting on a sofa outside his small office in the hillside mosque.
.
The new Muslims attracted leftist intellectuals looking for spiritual alternatives to the strict Catholicism that dominated life under Franco. Spain's Muslim converts now number in the tens of thousands, although many of the new Muslims no longer follow Sheik Abdalqadir.
.
The converts insist their faith is not driven by nostalgia for an idealized history.
.
"We reject the romantic idea of a return to the Islam of the past," said Malik Abderrahman Ruiz, a Granada native who converted in 1992 and is the community's emir. "We've created a new community of this place and this time."
.
Granada has about 15,000 Muslims today, mostly Moroccan and Syrian immigrants and North African students who worship at three nondescript Muslim prayer rooms in different parts of town.
.
But the town's 1,000 or so converts are very significant, Ruiz said, because they give Islam a voice that cannot be ignored. Granada's Islamic Council, for example, has been lobbying to stop annual celebrations of the fall of Granada into Christian hands.
.
Castieira joined the original Spanish converts in Córdoba and became a Muslim in 1977. Later, at an Arab leadership conference in Seville, Granada's socialist mayor encouraged him and other Muslims to move to the city.
.
"He said if we ever build a mosque, it should be in Granada because the last stronghold of the old Muslim community should be the first of the new," Castieira said.
.
Eventually a small group of converts settled in the city's old Moorish quarter, Albaícin, looking across at the Alhambra, the medieval Moorish citadel that was the center of Islamic power on the Iberian peninsula. They found land for a mosque and in 1981, Castieira and another convert embarked on a trip to the Gulf, hoping to gather the $10,000 they needed to buy the land.
.
They accepted contributions from Libya, Morocco and even Malaysia but much of the financing came from the Emir of Sharjah, one of the rulers of the United Arab Emirates. They say they rejected any support offered with strings attached.
.
By the time the financing was in place, though, Granada's socialist mayor was gone and local opposition kept the project from going forward for 20 years.
.
Across Europe, plans to build mosques have met resistance in traditionally Christian communities, where people worry that the growth of Islam is changing the character of their towns.
.
But nowhere, perhaps, has a mosque stirred as much emotion as in Granada, where the proposed location, across a ravine from the reddish-brown ramparts of Islam's last stand, carries unmistakable symbolism. At one point, the city offered Castieira and his colleagues a building site in an industrial zone on the outskirts of town.
.
"Political lobbies have done everything they could to stop this mosque," he said, adding that a core of "right-wing Catholic families" continued an expensive legal battle against the mosque until the end.
.
The mosque was scaled down to half its proposed size and the height of its Spanish-style minaret was cut to satisfy local demands. Even then, the Muslims were asked to first build a full-scale model of the minaret to reassure the neighborhood.
.
Today, the whitewashed brick mosque blends seamlessly into the increasingly gentrified neighborhood. Hundreds of tourists visit the garden each day and Castieira said a few people convert to Islam there each week.
.
The New York Times Movement's roots are European, not fundamentalism

GRANADA, Spain Muslims are back in this ancient Moorish stronghold, the last bastion of Islam in Spain before the 15th-century emir Boabdil kissed King Ferdinand's hand and relinquished the city with a legendary sigh.
.
But the men kneeling in prayer at the city's new mosque, the first built here in more than 500 years, are not modern-day Moors; they are people of European descent.
.
"We've come to offer society the only alternative that exists to lead it out of chaos," said one of the community's founders, Hajj Abdulhasib Castieira, a tall, bearded Spaniard in a glen plaid jacket and suede brogues.
.
While immigration is gradually spreading Islam across Europe, a homegrown movement is giving it added momentum in Spain. Here a generation of post-Franco intellectuals is reassessing the country's Moorish past and recasting Spanish identity to include Islamic influences rejected as heretical centuries ago.
.
The movement has its roots not in the austere Islamic fundamentalism that dominates popular Western imagination these days, but in the Beat Generation and the hippies who pursued spiritual quests to Morocco when it was a counterculturalist Mecca of sun, sand and cheap hashish.
.
There, a young patrician Scot, Ian Dallas, converted to Islam. He eventually changed his name to Sheik Abdalqadir al-Murabit and returned to Britain, where he began gathering Western converts who became known as the Murabitun.
.
The movement is marked by his proselytizing vision, which strives to found an Islamic caliphate with an economy based on gold dinars. A handful of Spaniards accepted Islam under his tutelage on the eve of Franco's death in 1975 and returned to Córdoba to start an Islamic community there.
.
Religious conversion has a long tradition in Spain, a land as close to Muslim North Africa as to the rest of Christian Europe across the Pyrenees. During 800 years of Islamic rule, many Christians converted to Islam.
.
"All of this makes Spanish people more prone to accept Islam," said Castieira, sitting on a sofa outside his small office in the hillside mosque.
.
The new Muslims attracted leftist intellectuals looking for spiritual alternatives to the strict Catholicism that dominated life under Franco. Spain's Muslim converts now number in the tens of thousands, although many of the new Muslims no longer follow Sheik Abdalqadir.
.
The converts insist their faith is not driven by nostalgia for an idealized history.
.
"We reject the romantic idea of a return to the Islam of the past," said Malik Abderrahman Ruiz, a Granada native who converted in 1992 and is the community's emir. "We've created a new community of this place and this time."
.
Granada has about 15,000 Muslims today, mostly Moroccan and Syrian immigrants and North African students who worship at three nondescript Muslim prayer rooms in different parts of town.
.
But the town's 1,000 or so converts are very significant, Ruiz said, because they give Islam a voice that cannot be ignored. Granada's Islamic Council, for example, has been lobbying to stop annual celebrations of the fall of Granada into Christian hands.

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