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To: Lane3 who wrote (78005)	10/21/2003 4:49:54 PM
From: one_less	Respond to of 82486

"It is less rational to expend a lot of life energy trying to find what is impossible and more rational to accept that you don't know and won't know, at least not in this life, and proceed accordingly. There is no question that mystery is an inherent element of experience. ... at least I, for one, accept that. ... I figure most people do. However, any claim to "know" something, has a basis in some believed assumption. It seems then that, it would be in all of our best interests to consider those assumptions in a serious light.

To: Lane3 who wrote (78005)	10/21/2003 5:05:29 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

It is natural to examine beliefs and see if there are more secure foundations. One cannot know that it is futile without trying. At least one might clarify the grounds of belief, and the stakes. Besides, there are various types of knowledge, not all of them publicly provable. I could easily prove that I was born in such and such a year, at such and such a time, because of documentary evidence, but I could not readily prove that I had my first real kiss while sitting in the snow evading a team with whom the girl and I were having a snow ball fight. I could not prove that I read "1984" for the first time in elementary school. I could not prove to the satisfaction of a jury that one of my brothers used to hit me to make me hit back, then would start bawling in order to get me in trouble, if he denied it. And yet all of these things are true. The possibility that some people have had valid religious experiences which cannot be proven cannot be excluded. Maybe some people do know, or have known.......