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To: Rainy_Day_Woman who wrote (70813)	10/21/2003 4:01:38 PM
From: Sun Tzu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 70976

> no, have you? Actually, yes, I have. > nor do I think we are partially responsible for what goes on there because the US has given the Saudi some support When you say "we", are you referring to the American people or the American government? Certainly everyone is responsible for the foreseeable consequences of its actions. The most obvious of such consequences is that helping a corrupt regime survive will prolong the oppressive actions of such regime. As to the people, if you present the case that the US government is not the true representative of the American people, then you can remove most of the burden from the people. On the other hand if you believe the government is truly elected by the people and is doing what it is doing for the people, and has the moral authority of the people in its actions, then you cannot evade responsibility. > Saudi Arabia and the US are in bed together for various reasons, but I don't think either country likes or respects the other True. And when you look at those reasons closely, they all boil down to selling your soul for the benefit of the few. This is true for both sides. > who do you think she was defending them from? the oppressive government. > men/government in her country Now this is the most sexist perspective I have ever seen in anyone! Are you saying that the government in Iran is the executive of the wants and beliefs of most Iranian men? If that is the case, then why have there been thousands of Iranian men tortured and executed for opposing their dream government? Or are you saying that the government's actions would have been fully woman friendly if the only change in the country was that the government was mostly made of women instead of men? The problem you are having is lack of appropriate perspective. You are looking at complex social issues and projecting your own background and biases into them. This is why I am against "helping" other countries with their own internal social issues; even with the best of intentions, it rarely works.

To: Rainy_Day_Woman who wrote (70813)	10/21/2003 5:01:29 PM
From: Sun Tzu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 70976

Here is what I found today parstimes.com In the middle of the page is a segment on Iranian Career women: Women Celebrities CNN Anchors & Reporters: Christiane Amanpour - CNN's Christiane Amanpour Receives Goldsmith Award - Christiane Amanpour: Iranian Woman of the Year 1997 (The Iranian) - Gifts of Speech: Christiane Amanpour - CNN Anchors & Reporters - Rudi Bakhtiar - Rudi Bakhtiar Fan Club - Catherine Bell's Official Website - Catherine Bell Biography - Nadia Bjorlin Official Website - TV Guide article on Nadia Bjorlin (Chloe) from Days of Our Lives - Chloe Lane Character (Soapcentral) - Niloufar Beyzaei - Patrice Farameh (Ananova) - Googoosh - Shireen T. Hunter (Director CSIS) - Mehrangiz Kar (Pen Org.) - Mehrangiz Kar (The Iranian) - Jaleh Kazemi - Jaleh Kazemi (Image) - Arezoo Kaviani (Celebrity Beautician) - Dineh Mohajer, founder of Hard Candy - Dineh Mohajer (Entrepreneur.com) - CNN Anchors & Reporters - Asieh Namdar - Yasmina Reza (Playwright) - Shiva Rose - Interview with Atoosa Rubenstein (Editor in Chief of Cosmogirl) - Marjan Shaki - Soraya - Soraya - The Three Faces of a Woman - Soraya (Image Gallery) - Soraya (The Independent) - Jasmin Tabatabai (Official Site - German) - Jasmin Tabatabai (Fan Site) - Sally Tadayon - Sally Tadayon (Image) - IranDokht Writers - Women (SiliconIran) Career Women Mahnaz Afkhami (Feminist) - Sarah Afshar (US Marine) - Fatemeh Ahdi Bani-Taba (Dancer) - Susan Akbarpour (SiliconIran) - Shahrbanu Amani (MP) - Sara Amir (Environmental Scientist) - Mahshid Amirshahy (Writer) - Martin Armand (Makeup Artist) - Akram Monfared Arya (Pilot) - Gelareh Asayesh (Writer) - June Badal (RN) - Sepideh Baghaii (Electrical Engineer) - Lailee Bakhtiar van Dillen (Producer) - Najmieh Batmanglij (Author-Cookbook) - Najmieh Batmanglij (Washington File) - Donia Bijan (Chef/Restaurant Owner) - Masoumeh Bolaghi (Bus Driver) - Badri Boroghei (Painter) - Baran & Etrat Elahi (Business Owners) - Mitra M. Ehsanipour (CPA) - Azadeh Ensha (Journalist) - Leila Farjami (Poet) - Farideh Farhi (Political Scientist) - Dokhi Fassihian (Political Analyst) - Dokhi Fassihian Interview (Media Player Video) - Bita Fayyazi (Artist) - Heather Arianna Forouhar (Art Student) - Simin Farkhondeh (Producer) - Pooran Farrokhzad (Poet) - Neda Farzan (Student) - Mokarrameh Ghanbari (Farmer) - Jaleh Ghassemzadeh (Chemical Engineer) - Lili Golestan (Gallery Owner) - Mahin Gorji - BBC Audio (Sports Journalist) - Tannaz Haddadi (Congressional Staffer) - Azita Hajiyan (Actress) - Roya Hakakian (Writer/Producer) - Maryam Hoole (Poet) - Shahla Hosseini (Medical Student) - Sheema Kalbasi (Poet) - Azadeh Kahlili (Executive Director) - Shahrzad Khorsandi (Dancer) - Elaheh Kulai (MP) - Golareh Lakpour (Pilot) - Dr. Homa Mahmoudi (Psychologist) - Elahe Massumi (Video Artist) - Zara Mehmandoost (Interior Designer) - Mozhgan Mojab (RPT) - Suzanne L. Mooradian (Legal Assistant) - Newsha Moraveji (Press Secretary) - Zahra Moussavi (Taxi Driver) - Niosha Nafei (Dancer) - Mahvash Navazesh DMD (Associate Professor USC) - Neda Nikaein (P.h.D. Student) - Afsaneh Noori (Painter) - Partow Nooriala (Poet) - Maryam Ovissi (Artist) - Susanne Pari (Writer) - Susanne Pari - NPR Audio - Noushin Pajouhesh (Illustrator) - Parissa (Dancer) - Shida Pegahi (Dancer) - Shabnam Pena (Dancer) - Massoume Price (Writer) - Alamtaj Qaemmaqami (Poet) - Zahra Rahnavard (Presidential Advisor) - Fatemeh Rakei (MP) - Zohreh "Zoe" Rastegar (Producer/host TV Show) - Rahmat Ruhani Sarvestani (Governor of Sarvestan) - Mahdokht Sanati P.h.D. (Feminist) - Homa Sarshar (Writer/TV Personality) - Banafsheh Sayyad (Dancer) - Sepideh Shayegan (Engineer) - Shahla Sherkat (Publisher) - Zohre Soleimani (Photojournalist) - Mojgan Tamaddon, D.D.S. - Nadia Taylor (Jewelry Designer) - Azadeh Donna Tavakkoli (Student) - Roya Yazdani (Acupuncturist) - Ladan Zarabi (Hair Design) - Azita Ziaei (Photojournalist) - Zan Org - Networking Fashion Designers Katayone Adeli - Katayone Adeli (The Guardian) - Shadi Askari - Maryam Entezami - Shirin Guild - Atoosa Mozaffari - Roshanak Parizadeh - Azadeh Riaz - Behnaz Sarafpour - Shai Tabassi - Mahla Zamani - Farahnaz Zolfaghari Fashion Models Afsaneh - Nazanin Azimi - Nina Azizi - Sahar Biniaz - Yasmin Le Bon (Yahoo) - Yasmin Le Bon (Unofficial) - Sheila Malek: Miss Bavaria (Spiegel Online) - Sheila Malek: Miss Bavaria - The Guardian (January 20, 2002) - Marzieh - Mona - Miss Iran (The Iranian) - Suesan Rajabi (Miss Colorado 96) - Sarah Shahi - Sanaz - Sanaz (UK) - Mahsa Tehrani Here is your chance to make friends with a few women from that part of the world.