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To: DuckTapeSunroof who wrote (479490)	10/21/2003 6:11:34 PM
From: Johannes Pilch	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

OK, fine. But when do you believe that those 'stages' begin --- since you've just said they should be treated exactly the same with respect to these rights. I really can’t believe you cannot at least understand my position after I have so clearly explained it. Human rights (life and liberty), as opposed to rights of citizenship (voting, driving, running for office), obviously exist at the very first moment that humanity exists. That moment is conception and this is objectively apparent. What 'confusion'? I'm not confused... just asking simple questions to try to get to your beliefs. And it baffles me that I must work so hard for you. I have already explained that there is a distinct difference between human rights and rights of citizenship. You continually in your posts confuse the two, demanding Tom or me to tell you when humans should first gain the right of citizenship. Citizenship rights are irrelevant here!!! Human rights are the ticket. These rights exist in humans when the humans first come into existence. If we deny this, then we deny our own nature. Such denial, of course, is available to us, but it obviously is against the pattern of nature since nature’s logic inexorably and objectively causes humans to live and self-express as humans have done for as long as we certifiably know.