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To: aladin who wrote (117331)	10/21/2003 6:01:19 PM
From: Ish	Respond to of 281500

<<Today's anti nuke protesters (objecting to nuke research) ensure our only response can be complete devastation.>> Right, the idea is to limit nukes to the size that would take out Iowa, nothing smaller. The big ones take a lot more angst to use. Oddly, this no tactical nukes has been making for some really interesting conventional weapons.

To: aladin who wrote (117331)	10/21/2003 7:11:42 PM
From: Jacob Snyder	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<But Pol Pot did kill a 1/3rd of his population...> Pol Pot was one man, with only two hands. He didn't kill more than a handful, himself, personally. He gave the orders, to people to gave further orders, and the Cambodean Army and security apparatus and government and ruling Party killed 1/3 of the population. And that army etc., was made up of hundreds of thousands of Cambodians. The Cambodians killed 1/3 of the Cambodians. It was collective suicide, Jonestown writ large, not murder. One of the most common ways history is distorted, is to Assign Blame entirely to one person or small group, when it really was a group effort. So, we say: "Hitler killed the Jews." Wrong. Mahathir got it right, when he said, "Europeans killed 6 million Jews." Hitler gave the orders, and millions of Germans voluntarily, knowing exactly what they were doing, carried out those orders. Further: the Holocaust required, for its success, the cooperation of the conquered non-German nations. In the various occupied nations, those who actively helped the Jews, managed to save most of their community. If every nation had followed the example of the conquered, tiny, disarmed nation of the Danes, there would have been no Holocaust. The actions of King Christian X of Denmark stand in stark contrast to what the Poles, Ukrainians, French, and Croats did: In April of 1933 King Christian X was due to visit the Copenhagen synagogue to celebrate the 100th anniversary of its construction; between the day the visit was to take place and the day the invitation had been sent out by the Jewish congregation Hitler had come to power. The congregation therefore suggested that he postpone his visit, but Christian X insisted on coming and was in fact the first monarch in Scandinavia to visit a synagogue... After the first day of the arrests that began on October 1 (Rosh Hashanah), the Germans captured only 202 people, many of whom had not been healthy enough to flee. During the few months of military occupation, Danish supporters helped 7220 Jews escape to Sweden, while only 464 people were deported to Theresienstadt, a ghetto with the harsh conditions of a concentration camp, but run by a Jewish administration. The Danes arranged for even these deported Jews to receive packages containing supplies and food, including pork, which was meant to show that the help was being extended because those captured were Danes, not because they were Jews. wagingpeace.org Further: It wasn't just the continental Europeans. American and British policy on immigration and refugees, made it impossible for Jews to escape. The Brits wouldn't open up Palestine, because the Arabs would riot about it. America wouldn't accept German Jews, because that would worsen Depression-era unemployment. We turned back ships full of refugees who later ended up in the ovens. <There was no way for the population to revolt> You could have said the same thing, with equal truth, about E. Germans in 1989. They had no guns, no organization. Their government had perfected the art of violent repression. But it happened. I shouted out: "who killed Kennedy?" after all it was you and me (from Sympathy for the Devil)