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To: Brumar89 who wrote (117360)	10/22/2003 3:11:40 PM
From: Bilow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi Brumar89; Re: "You're missing something and have missed this all along - what is interesting about the Life story to me and I think to the person who ran across the article and posted it is the comparison (i.e. similarity) of the media treatment of post-war conditions then and now." You illustrate my point beautifully. What you have is one article, but you blow it up into "the media". If you want to know how "the media" treated the German occupation, you will have to read the media. That's a lot more work than reading a single article in a single weekly magazine. Heck Exploration supposedly did the work for you, and abbreviated their analysis of "the media" into a single article. But that's all they gave you. If "the media" really were down on the German occupation (and do note that there is not a single mention of attacks against US soldiers in that article), then how come Heck Exploration didn't give out more articles? There are thousands of articles right now saying that the Iraqi occupation sucks, so why only one saying that the German occupation sucked too? The presumption of Jessica's Well is that it was the simple notes of a girl. Hey, if that's all it was, I can understand why "she" didn't give more information. But instead, the truth behind the propaganda was that Jessica was an oil corporation, and had plenty of resources available to find plenty of articles from more believable sources than Dos Passos, if those articles existed. You've consistently blown up this single article into a general illustration of how the German occupation went. Here's two examples: As to it being a fringe article by a fringe author - you're welcome to your opinion, but it was published in Life, which was a mainstream publication read by millions, and Dos Passos was a prominent author. #reply-19422247 I thought it was fascinating to see that in a major media piece in 1946* you could read that are so reminiscent of what one can read today:* #reply-19414115 I can find you "major media pieces" that express pretty much any possible viewpoint you want. That's the nature of major media. There are major media pieces that discuss flying saucers. Do you believe? There are major media pieces that say any silly thing you want to, but the simple fact is that you only believe them if they reinforce what you already "know". Hey, if the point of the whole propaganda was to note that there have always been people who say that, for example, "the occupation is going badly", I'll agree 100% with that. But that is not the intention of the article. Were that the intention, Heck Exploration would have given any of the thousands of positive articles about the German occupation, articles that noted that it was violence free and going smoothly. They would have noted that Dos Passos was an anarchist who hated the United States as a materialist culture. But Heck Exploration did none of this. What they did was to give you the article in a vacuum, and that is a very slanted presentation. The natural conclusion that a naive person who is unread in history would come to, upon reading the Life article and little else, was that the German occupation went badly for the first year. In fact, that is exactly the conclusion that you yourself came to: Brumar89, October 19, 2003 They'd have to use a lot of imagination to say that in '46, I think. Things were horrible there right after the war. #reply-19415690 Note that the above statement is quite incompatible with this one: Brumar89, October Well, its hard for either of us to know how widespread the viewpoint expressed by Dos Passos was in 1946 as neither of us has a memory of those times. #reply-19422247 So which is it? Did you suddenly recall a horrible memory of 1946? And that memory happened to be spoon fed to you by an oil company with amazingly tight connections to George W? An oil company that hides behind a woman's skirt? -- Carl P.S. Another great Brumar89 quote on this: You actually think the Bush administration has 'hacks' running fake blogs* pretending to be from places like Midland Tx just to post articles from 1946?* #reply-19414115 Yes, Heck Exploration pretended to be a girl and you ate their BS hook line and sinker. After I opened your eyes, you quit calling them "she", LOL. Note that it is only after I nailed the website to Bush that you write: I've never cared what website the article was posted on. One of the persons responsible for the Jessicaswell blog is simply a conservative person who happens to live in Midland Tx. Whether he is an oil man or rich or even politically active is irrelevant. #reply-19418708 Before the information, you denied that it was likely. After the proof, you deny that it was relevant, LOL. Hey, if it was irrelevant, then how come you were so much in denial, LOL?