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To: Johannes Pilch who wrote (480306)	10/23/2003 10:09:30 AM
From: DuckTapeSunroof	Respond to of 769670

Why is [conception the obvious first point of humanity]? Why not pick any of the other - I'd argue even more 'obvious' possible points of demarcation.... such as: birth, quickening, etc.? <Because all of these other allegedly "more obvious" points of demarcation are but the continuous non-spatial result of the self-expresssing logic that first exists at conception.> >>> sounds pretty 'spatial' to me! Try English next time.

To: Johannes Pilch who wrote (480306)	10/23/2003 10:12:10 AM
From: DuckTapeSunroof	Respond to of 769670

We are all 'just cells'. <Correct! But we are not "just cells" in the same way the ovum is just a cell. We are not all "just cells" in the same way dogs are "just cells." Our logic is quite radically different than that which exists in dogs and in isolated ovums.> >>> If your religion says so....

To: Johannes Pilch who wrote (480306)	10/23/2003 10:17:00 AM
From: DuckTapeSunroof	Respond to of 769670

NOT RELIGION: demonstrable science! I 'came' from two live cells which conjugated... each of which came from two live cells, and so on, and so on.... back into the mists of history. FACT. <Revisit this closely. It has an embarrassing flaw in its symmetry (hint. "I" here is a BIG problem). There is no fact here at all. It is all ridiculous religion. Friggin' stupid CRAP!> >>> You confuse me here. It's like you are saying "there is no gravity" or "the Earth is flat". What I stated is simple FACT, undeniable. (I never said that the sperm and egg cell which conjugated were individuals... only that they were alive. Clearly, that is a necessity for conjugation.)

To: Johannes Pilch who wrote (480306)	10/23/2003 10:18:34 AM
From: DuckTapeSunroof	Respond to of 769670

Whateever. I have a more inclusive definition of 'humanity'. Among other things, I account for the various genetic inheritances we have that are NOT germ line. <You here simply ignore the conceptus because of its incipiency. And that is just irrational, arbitrary religious crap.> >>> Bull. Look up 'mitochondria' sometime.

To: Johannes Pilch who wrote (480306)	10/23/2003 10:20:13 AM
From: DuckTapeSunroof	Respond to of 769670

Er... samll note here... you never actually described your 'logic'. <That is because I assumed you would understand that describing it here is just inappropriate. We at least should understand together that the logic exists. I simply referred to it assuming you would at least agree here without my having to drag your ass to it as if you were some stupid kindergartener!> >>> You say 'logic = nature'... OK: now understand it (because what use is logic if not understood?)

To: Johannes Pilch who wrote (480306)	10/23/2003 10:23:51 AM
From: DuckTapeSunroof	Respond to of 769670

ALL taxes force people to pay for things they don't want to. To be a 'sin', it must violate your religious laws. <Lord. Can't you for once try to keep religion out of things? DANG! I use the word "sin" here as shorthand for "contrary to the pattern inherent in nature."> >>> Next time just say "contrary to the pattern inherent in nature."