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To: Win Smith who wrote (117486)	10/23/2003 1:25:53 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

true believers just KNOW, and the CIA ought to be out doing its proper job of confirming the true believers' "knowledge" by whatever means it has. Such is the nature of intelligence work. Just as it is for Journalism. After all, look at all the "investigative reporting" we see in our daily newspapers, most based upon anonymous sources. But again, you seem fond of forgetting that there was NO ONUS upon the US to find WMD's in Iraq. Weapons that every other intelligence agency and two UN inspection teams believed existed there. The onus WAS upon the Baathist regime to FULLY COMPLY with 16+ UNSC binding resolutions, and provide FULL ACCOUNTABILITY for its mission weapons, upon pain of being declared in material breach. Everyone has begun to acknowledge that Saddam may have intentionally led the UN/US to believe that he possessed WMDs, or at least left it a open question. A deliberate disinformation operation that was DIRECTLY IN VIOLATION of his obligations under the cease fire and UNSC resolutions. you claiming the Niger story was all true, despite subsequent disavowals and Tenet taking the fall on it. I claim no such thing. And neither did Bush. All either one of has stated is the British apparently are standing by their intelligence as unimpeachable. Of course, like those 6 jounalists who claim to know the source of the Plame CIA leak, I guess we'll just have to believe them and confirm the information via our own sources. Hawk

To: Win Smith who wrote (117486)	10/29/2003 11:29:04 AM
From: carranza2	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

carranza2 claiming it was a Saudi-Plame setup, LMAO! Too funny to try to even confect a reply so I'll simply assume you've forgotten or misunderstand what I've said. Or that you've engaged in a harmless bit of spin. Anyone who cares--probably only me--knows that what you've said is laughably wrong. Last thing I remember about British intelligence was the dreaded "dossier" that turned out to be some recycled US grad school thesis. Time for some memory exercises, then. I haven't seen this story disproven: telegraph.co.uk Moreover, Tony Blair, that bloodthirsty British neocon, sticks to his guns on the issue. I'd say it's all very interesting.