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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: epicure who wrote (78277)	10/23/2003 3:34:25 PM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

I have started three posts about "Brian" but I find myself doing a Gollum-like eschange with myself on why and why not? When I am done arguing with myself, maybe I will be able to write something.

To: epicure who wrote (78277)	10/23/2003 3:41:01 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

I was using "standards" to mean requirements. I see you're using it as a term of art. Let me start again. There are things a kid has to do to pass the course. One is to learn what is in the standards, your usage. That is mandated. Perhaps there are other mandated requirements. Teachers, apparently, can add requirements of our own, including timeliness and volume requirements and most of them do. You are asking whether you should add those as well, right? I guess it's a function of your objectives. If your only objective is that they have demonstrated that they can do the work and you don't want to teach them about real life or character development or how to be a good employee some day or any of that stuff, then I suppose you could eschew timeliness and volume standards. If you choose to do that, there are a couple of things that come to mind about how you implement. One is that the kids should know up front what your requirements are and what they have to do to meet them. If you don't expect them to deliver any product, then it should be clear up front that any work they turn in will be either no credit or extra credit. I think it's a bad idea to set requirements for delivery of product and just ignore them if you think the kid can meet the standards without doing any work. And if you take that route, you should probably consider what effect that would have, if any, on your colleague's ability to get work product out of those students. If you're operating in variance with usual practice, seems to me you should at least let them know. The other question is how you grade them if you don't get work product. You need to be sure you have enough stuff from them that you can give an objective grade and justify it if anyone questions it.