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To: PROLIFE who wrote (480815)	10/24/2003 10:32:37 AM
From: zonder	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

I have pretty much had it with your emotional and immature approach to this issue, not to mention your uncivil attitude. Basically, you need to admit that the photos you posted of 4-8 month old babies were not those of aborted fetuses. Abortions are done in the 8-10 weeks, during which time the fetus is about an inch long. Then perhaps we can hope for a return to a calmer, more rational perspective towards the issue of abortion on your side. Even if you never get to see this issue as anything other than "Omigod, they are KILLING BABIES!" etc etc, don't forget: It's not your choice. And you are never going to get that power to make that choice for someone else. Deal with it. Really. P.S.: I am amazed at how much bull you can fit into a single post. "Injecting saline solution into a woman's belly so the baby dies a slow, painful death, fighting for its life"??? Which planet are you from, where THAT is how they do abortions??? Unreal...

To: PROLIFE who wrote (480815)	10/24/2003 10:50:34 AM
From: jackhach	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 769670

Prolife you make a powerfully vivid and humanely valid argument that would have many wiggling in their seats to defend -- but the part that you and the "true" PRO-LIFE crowd do not care to discuss is the fact that you have total disdain for prevention in the form of child instruction, teen sexual prevention by ways other then purely abstaining. The spirit of your argument is bogusly disguised as genuine concern for the "unborn"; whereas you have little to no compassion/humanity for poor, struggling, most often confused young women in the midst of a very difficult situation. If you placed the amount of energy in preventing abortion as you did in assisting/educating young men and women about biology, sexuality etc... and made proviosns for "non-judgemental" alternatives -- you would win far more friends in society/government and be doing Jesus a great bit of justice. But instead you prefer to walk around with rosary beads in hand and pictures of aborted fetuses. This provides better shock value I grant you and certainly makes for good newsreel, but frankly, it reflects poor priorities & quite transparent motives. Jesus Christ certainly would be opposed to abortion, but he would be more opposed to those directing energy away from the expectant mothers in preference to what boils down to a "born-again,evengelical" agenda. Your message (and that of yours) is inconsistent and lacks practicality. You certainly should be commended for defending the life of a helpless fetus; but fall EXTREMELY short in supporting the poor girl next door (and guy) with a difficult and akward situation. Many in which would have been prevented if you and yours did not obstruct practical school-based instruction/prevention. Fact is; only because its happened for 10,000+ years now - is that young women get pregnant and DID NOT WANT TO. They made bad choices or very often DID NOT KNOW or APPRECIATE the significance of what they were engaged in. Also, this pays no mind to RAPE, INCEST, and possible DEATH/SEVERE HARM to a completely innocent expectant mother. -JH BTW, as a related aside: Would Jesus support CAPITAL PUNISHMENT? If you say NO he would not -- then your correct. Therein you should be supporting CANDIDATES that are opposed to both ABORTION & CAPITAL PUNISHMENT. That would provide you consistent cover and eliminate the thinly-veiled, morally convenient/shallow stand that you take.