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To: FaultLine who wrote (117694)	10/25/2003 9:50:25 PM
From: stockman_scott	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Some background info. on Robert Fisk... _________________________________ Robert Fisk is Britain’s most highly decorated foreign correspondent. He has received the British International Journalist of the Year award seven times, most recently in 1995 and 1996. His specialty is the Middle East, where he has spent the last twenty-three years. Currently the Beirut correspondent for the London Independent, Fisk has covered the Iranian revolution, the Iran-Iraq war, the Persian Gulf war, and the conflict in Algeria. He is the author of Pity the Nation: Lebanon at War (Atheneum, 1990), and his reporting from Lebanon has brought him international attention. He was the one who broke the story about the Israeli shelling of the U.N. compound in Qana, Lebanon, in 1996. Fisk visited Madison, Wisconsin, in April to give two lectures on the Israeli-Palestinian crisis. He brought with him film footage of the Qana shelling, as well as footage of an Israeli bombing of a Lebanese ambulance carrying fourteen people. He showed a film he made about Palestinians who had lost their homes when Israel became a state. He also showed interviews with Jews who lost family members in Nazi concentration camps, and he went to Auschwitz to show where the Holocaust took place. In one of his lectures, he made a special point of taking on those who deny the truth of the Holocaust. Robert Fisk, a world renowned Middle East correspondent for London's Independent, currently resides in Beirut. Mr. Fisk received a Ph.D in Political Science from Trinity College, Dublin in 1985 and an Honorary Doctorate of Literature and Journalism from the University of Lancaster, England. He was The Times Belfast correspondent from 1971 to 1975, and its Middle East correspondent from 1976 to 1987. Fisk has covered the recent conflict in Northern Ireland, Israeli invasions of Lebanon, the Iranian Revolution, the Iran-Iraq war, the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the Gulf War, wars in Bosnia and Algeria, NATO war with Yugoslavia, and the Palestinian uprisings. Fisk was the winner of the Amnesty International UK Press Awards in 1998 for his reports from Algeria and in 2000 for his articles on NATO bombing of Yugoslavia. He was awarded the John Hopkins SIAS-CIBA prize for international journalism. Fisk is theauthor of three books: The Point of No Return: The Strike which Broke the British in Ulster (1975), In Time of War: Ireland, Ulster, and the Price of Neutrality (1982, 1983), and Pity the Nation: Lebanon at War (1990, 1992). Most recently Fisk contributed a chapter to Iraq Under Siege: the Deadly Impact of Sanctions and War (2000). robert-fisk.com

To: FaultLine who wrote (117694)	10/25/2003 10:45:42 PM
From: Bilow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi FaultLine; Re: "Does anyone else care to comment [Fisk should also be banned]?" I don't generally read Fisk because he's a left wing nut, but I went back and read the article linked in. As far as I could tell, there was not a single lie in the whole thing. Most of the article was recounting the details of incidents that were already well reported in the press, and the rest was personal conversations with soldiers that are perfectly in keeping with what other reporters are saying. In fact, I turned on my f'ing radio this morning to hear that there were peace marches in front of the White House with a veteran's contingent singing anti-bush cadences, which they broadcast. While Fisk has undoubtedly been dead wrong many times in the past, I don't see this particular article as being cause for alarm. Are you considering banning news reports from Fox? They have reported an unimaginably large number of incorrect facts in the past 12 months. They're widely known as "faux news", LOL, but they are also widely printed here. Because of this wide dispersion in truthfulness, I'm guessing that any problems you may have with Fisk are due to his opinions rather than his facts. How many times have we read articles attesting to how well the war on Terror has been going? And that our victory is undoubted by any patriotic American? Until the Rumsfeld memo leaked, of course, LOL. By the way, the pattern where government officials repeatedly claim, publicly, that the war is going great, while those same officials express severe doubts in private, and the press also reports doubts, is another marker showing the similarity between this peacekeeping operation and Vietnam. What's different is that during Vietnam, the doubters didn't leak quite so efficiently. -- Carl

To: FaultLine who wrote (117694)	10/26/2003 7:46:47 AM
From: Chas.	Respond to of 281500

get him out of here he's a real potty mouth.... regards

To: FaultLine who wrote (117694)	10/26/2003 12:46:00 PM
From: greenspirit	Respond to of 281500

Hello Faultline, my opinion is since we've limited articles to two per day, just about any article related to foreign affairs should be allowed. In other words, we shouldn't ban Rush Limbaugh or worldnetdaily.com, nor should we ban Fisk or truth.com Censorship of content variety is too difficult to deal with in an unbiased way. Although you've done an exceptional job here monitoring the thread, it's one of the areas your bias comes through. JMHO...

To: FaultLine who wrote (117694)	10/26/2003 12:49:18 PM
From: Eashoa' M'sheekha	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

>>Does anyone else care to comment?<< Maybe everyone is a little too sensitive? There are those here who condemn vehemently the NYT, but as soon as an article is published that reflects their view,it is posted here with nary a blush. There are those who will post Daniel Pipes , even though his views are extremely anti-Muslim and anti-Arab, without a moment of reflection that he holds these racist views. Rush L. should NOT be posted for very obvious reasons. He is the most racist and extremely ignorant person I have ever had the displeasure of ignoring.Now he has other problems that does nothing more than highlight his hypocrisy. Robert Fisk is an esteemed writer of notariety.He tells em as he sees em,and that, no doubt, gets the true believer's panties in a knot. The Jenin episode was discussed at length here.It was NOT Fisk who responsible for that " massacre " line,but he was attacked with prejudice incessantly here by the usual Israeli apologists. The fact that it wasn't ugly enough to be considered a " massacre " by those who need absolute definitions to properly ( in their minds at least ) describe the situation, should not have been any less disgusting in the fact that an entire refugee camp was wiped out, killing dozens of innocent people and leaving them homeless and more destitute than they already were,if that was possible. And on it goes,with those who don't like to read opposing views, splintering off to their little havens of right wing propaganda and banning those who dare to argue their points of view.Politics for pros they call it.More like politics bros, ifin ya askes me.<<GGG>> There are enough right wing crazed threads on SI.I consider Si a microcosm of American, and sometimes International, discussion.See what happens when opposing voices are declared anti American and Un-patriotic and not allowed to be heard? You get a war based on lies and deceit that was NOT properly challenged, and an aftermath that grows worse by the day,with many now looking for a way out to save their political arses. So...it will have to all or none Ken.IMHO. Your choice my friend. KC@Pravda - America.Con