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To: E who wrote (13833)	10/25/2003 11:17:06 PM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793656

I was more deeply disturbed about the tasteless gay remark than I would have been about a tasteless straight one. That is why I say the "We're here, we're queer, and we want to be your son's Boy Scout Master," approach will breed nothing but trouble. I think we have all met men and immediately said to ourselves, "He's queer as a three dollar bill!" When you meet the breathy feminine types, you know they are genetic. The blond lead on the "Queer eye" show is an obvious case. On the other hand, the best "West Coast" lead here is such a "feminine" dancer that everybody "knows" he is Gay. But he is not. He is a Commander in the Navy, and just married one of my favorite partners. I think most people come down near where I am. If you are gay, I don't think it is a great life style choice, but I won't fault you for it. If kids end up that way, that's OK. Just don't push it to the kids as the way to go.

To: E who wrote (13833)	10/28/2003 12:57:02 AM
From: Dayuhan	Respond to of 793656

It does matter to a lot of people. I suppose it does, but it really shouldn’t. The relevant criterion, from any perspective of legal rights, should not be whether they are the way they are through choice, nature, or nurture, but whether they are infringing upon anyone else’s rights. If they aren’t, then the way they are, whatever the reason, is nobody’s business but their own. Thinking about that made me wonder how much homophobia, or other types of hostility toward gays, comes from unconscious fear of one's child being traduced into becoming a non-viable vessel for carrying one's big deal DNA. Certainly this could be argued, but it will be very hard to tell to what degree various influences are responsible for homophobia. One sees it most overtly, of course, in those too young to have children… why do teenagers and young males get so out of hand with their hatred? Because they worry about their own children being stolen away and removing their precious genes from the pool? Because they fear their own impulses? Because they just want to pick on someone different, preferably someone weaker and outnumbered? We’ll never know for sure, I suspect. What we do know is that most of the overt expressions of homophobia, whatever their cause, are in fact a violation of the rights of others, and need to be treated as such.