To: Box-By-The-Riviera™ who wrote (1119 ) 10/26/2003 7:32:21 AM From: big guy Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 6370 You don't have to ban me W.F. I'll leave through the same door I came in after putting this one last post from Wade on this board. I've read the PM from him and don't know what the ban was about other than maybe off topic material. You asked for data. Here is some data. Big Guy Please do one more big favor for me by posting my personal "data" points. I going to tell you my "data" points. My hands are shaking due to the gushing old memories and emotions. My grand father was a medical officer in the military under Chang. But, his never had combat duty. He didn't get enough time to escape to Taiwan. After communist took over China, he was reformed and tortured daily for 4 years. They let him go home every night to let the families see the "lessons". He finally died for injuries and total exhaustion in 195x, the year I was born. No one in the family was able or dare to try to inform my mom until 1978 after iron curtain was lifted. There was no detail of his death. My grand mother was kicked out from her home. She had to live with one of my far relative in one-bed room with 8 people. She died in the 80's. My mom finally went back to China to visit her blood sisters in 199x. They told my old mom how my grand father died. But, they didn't want to tell her what kind of injuries he suffered for afraid of my mom's health. I know how much she was hurt, because she cried very quietly and frequently after she came back from China. This is my first family "data" point. Now, here is my dad's family story. After 6 generations of hard work and savings as farming tenants my ancestors were able to buy small pieces of land from the neighbors to become self-sufficient. They all died very young at ages between 30 to 50 years old. My dad was the only one surviving child of 8 children in his family. The other 7 children died at very young ages due to poor hygiene and no medicine in the countryside. I can imagine how tough their lives were at that time. He was lucky enough to go to school for education. And, he had ambition to leave home to go to capital Nanking for free high education offered by the government. After communist took over, he and my mom escaped to Taiwan with my two older sisters in 1949. Until he died in 1996 he never stepped in mainland China once. Both of my grand parents died at age ~50 in 1949, just before communist took over. They were lucky, didn't get any torture. I asked my dad to go home to visit. He told me that there was nothing left to see. The land is gone. Several families occupied the old house. Those people he knew were all dead. And, he could hardly walk at his old age. The only two things we have from our ancestors was one picture of my grand parents, and another one of my great grand mom. Before my dad passed away, he asked me and my young brother to take care of our family cemetery in China. He gave me a rough map, drew by his shaky hand, of the locations of the graves. I cried, I didn't know if I can find that place and I didn't know when I was able to accomplish this mission. These are my family "data" points build on blood and tears. The last one, is a Chinese scientist I met at my work. She told me that she and her family lived through starvation in the 50's. She saw many people starved to death. Her whole family had to get up very early and walk to pick grass and plants for food at places far from home. She was hungry and tired for many years. She told me that her body had no fat, only had skin cover her bones. She was very close to death. Years later, she was lucky to finish college because of her father's labor status. Labor status is the highest social rank in China. However, after Cultural Revolution her status fell to the bottom of the food chain. Mao ordered to reform all of the educated people. She was send to remote country side for hard labor for 9 years. She told me that they joked about that was "repair the Earth". This was how I knew this phrase. After returning from reform camp she found out that her family was ashamed of her dark background. No neighbors want to talk to her. No one want to marry her. Finally, she married a man she knew since they were children. He was illiterate. After struggling for many years she finally got chance to come to the US, and got her masters and Ph. D. education. She is a US citizen now. She still loves China and very proud of their recent accomplishment. When I asked her if she hates for losing 9 years of her best part of her life. She replied "Of course! But, to whom? Mao is dead and no one can give me back my youth". My eyes were red. This is my third data point. The next is a link to Harry Wu. Laogai means reform in hard labor camps.laogai.org I think these enough to show the kind of "heritage" Mao gave to China. I am amazed that there are actually Chinese people enjoy the free world but behaved like Mao. All of Chinese people has to look deep into their souls to search for true freedom. Otherwise, today's economical prosperity could turn into tomorrow's death execution when Mao's ghost come back to haunt China again. Sincerely, Wade