To: Lane3 who wrote (14080 ) 10/27/2003 4:21:40 PM From: Sunny Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793781 "Yes, and the Red Empire fell from too much command and control and too little freedom." Surely, you do not see anything in the present in the US that remotely approaches the Red Empire. By the way my view on the fall of the communist empire is that basic tenets of the underlying philosophy were all wrong and that the people in charge of the government then took a bad idea and made it worse. The end result is near total collapse and near anarchy has resulted in the vacuum left behind "The point I'm trying to make is that we don't have to put moral standards into law to have moral standards." You are absolutely right about this. However, our laws should not facilitate immorality. "For you are a slave to whatever controls you. So you want people to be slaves to the state?" I do not want people to be a slave to anything or anyone. As a Christian, we are taught to support our government, because they are there for our safety and good. We are also taught to pray for our leaders so that they will have the wisdom and the will to ensure our continued prosperity. In the context of the quote from 2 Peter, it implies that if you let sinful lust become a focus in your life or define you, you become a slave to the sin. Paul tells us that all things are permissible, but not everything is profitable. Think about the rise of internet pornography, gambling or legal addictions that rise from drinking or smoking. Who is more free, the person who chooses not to partake or the one who becomes trapped into a lifestyle or habit by the very thing he is seeking the freedom to do. I am not suggesting that any of the freedoms you choose to exercise should be outlawed. What I am saying is that any laws that deal with those issues be responsible and not undermine our society.