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To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (2296)	10/28/2003 8:21:52 PM
From: Cyprian	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 5569

#1 - It doesn't say anywhere that salvation was ever offered to Angels. lucifer was created perfect. man was originally created perfect. lucifer was given a free will, just as man was given a free will. lucifer at one time served and obeyed God, and that is why he was the most high angel. he was "anointed" by God and was upon the holy mountain of God. he clearly experienced fellowship with the Father in heaven, including eternal life. how is that not salvation? #2 - Judas betrayed Jesus before Jesus had finished His work and salvation was offered you are hung up on the word salvation. the word salvation is used in the old testament scores if not a hundred times, starting with the first book of the bible. I have waited for thy salvation, O LORD. --Genesis 49:18 perhaps you will better understand if we address what salvation means. salvation means to be rescued or saved. what are we rescued or saved from? sin, and the consequences thereof. the wages of sin is death. to be given salvation means we are rescued from the consequences of our sin. through the intercession made by the Son, we become justified in the sight of the Father. this allows us to experience fellowship with the Father. lucifer had all this, so in essence he was experiencing what we know to be salvation. there has always been one and only one plan of salvation. all the saints of the old testament are saved in the exact same way you and i are--by grace and faith in Christ. Jesus is in every book of the bible, starting with the very first verse in genesis. You're being legalistic. I don't live under the law. i'm not the one who keeps bringing up "works" and "law". you and SOROS are the ones who keep injecting those terms into the discussion. but as long as you brought it up: Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. --1 Corinthians 6:9