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To: Elsewhere who wrote (118155)	10/31/2003 7:38:20 AM
From: epicure	Respond to of 281500

It is a waste of time to use this sort of stuff as evidence of anything more than poor advance health planning- which is quite obvious in ALL countries. It is sad that France had the deaths it did from heat, and it is equally sad that Americans are eating themselves to death.

To: Elsewhere who wrote (118155)	10/31/2003 8:18:35 AM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

First, I did not bash "Old Europe", I pointed out an irony: that the inefficiencies of the French economy are justified on the grounds of social solidarity, but the performance of the welfare state, in this instance, was extremely lackluster. Second, your jibes are misplaced. I was not discussing poor health habits among the French, but the performance of their public health system. Third, it is not as if the French public has not been outraged at the performance of their public health officials, on the contrary, it is one of the primary reasons for low poll ratings for both Chirac and Raffarin currently........

To: Elsewhere who wrote (118155)	10/31/2003 8:56:59 AM
From: Noel de Leon	Respond to of 281500

Flogging dead horses (the only conclusion one can reach after reading some of the responses to your post and its follow up) is, unfortunately, necessary in order to put a little rationality into a debate characterized by a lack of factual and historical information in addition to the moral bankruptcy that some have demonstrated. I thank you for your inputs.

To: Elsewhere who wrote (118155)	10/31/2003 12:36:09 PM
From: epicure	Respond to of 281500

did you see this? nytimes.com sad news

To: Elsewhere who wrote (118155)	10/31/2003 1:13:38 PM
From: Eashoa' M'sheekha	Respond to of 281500

" it's time for me to leave FADG. "... Start yer own thread..moderated of course...everyone else does! LOLOL!!

To: Elsewhere who wrote (118155)	11/2/2003 11:23:04 PM
From: marcos	Respond to of 281500

Bravo, Jochen -ggg- .... it is just bizarre how some of the argument-challenged try to demonise the entire french nation for not rah-rahing the bushevik agenda ... attempting to exploit the tragedy of a freak heatwave for backdoor political advantage, how disgusting 'The French' are not some monolithic lump of greaseburger or whatever, they are millions of individuals with varieties of outlooks and opinions .... i worked once with a man from the Val de Loire, he had numerous jokes about certain politicians, Mitterrand [sp?] was one, and about how rude parisiens are .... very funny, extremely cutting, and [he maintained] right-on ..... they are not all the same, the great majority share some traits like a distaste for arrogant neocon rule of the planet, but then hey, who doesn't, outside of that small PNACircle of fiends Flipping around the thread here just now, trying to catch up, sort of ..... struck by the sameness of it all, mostly .... same posters trying to justify the same stupid unilateral invasion of Iraq, the same demented Judenstaat experiment, the same amateur godheads in Washington, same same ..... plus ca change, my friend would have said, only he'd have been able to put the cedilla squiggle under the c in ca ... ah well </best impression of gallic shrug>