To: TripleT who wrote (230 ) 10/31/2003 3:32:36 PM From: jmhollen Respond to of 266 T-cubed, Thanks for the back-up. I was preparing for the EIT while working in the A&E environment many years ago, but the A&E fee structure collapsed as did many of the firms practicing at the time. By then my work had migrated into the power, lighting, controls and instrumentation for water, wastewater, municipal pumping systems, heavy industrial plants and process facilities. There was no further need to pursue either an EIT or a PE, as the design level was far above public standards and I had no intention of ever being a department head in a consulting firm. The last third of my engineering-specific work was as a Contract Engineer for most of the major corporations and Agencies you can name. They brought us in when their no-hands-on PE's had fallen on their professional faces, blown something up, and/or burned something down. Most I&C and/or E&I guys who know their stuff make 1.5+ times what typical high-end PEs make, and we don't have to screw with the internal or local politics. That's pretty much true for Radar, RF, Telecom, microchip and other disciplines as well. After my Dad retired, he kept his hand in doing perk-tests and septic systems, etc., for folks in the area. Hence, he maintained his PE until he got bored with paying the fees and having his golfing days interrupted. It's still up on the wall here at the haceinda. LETH, OZLU, ESWW and other firms pursuing the clean air and water dreams are where the improved ideas come from. Some will make it, some won't, and some will just get bashed to death by lousy financing, mediocre management, or pro-bashers and their associated shorting crews. Regards, John :-) .