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To: Bilow who wrote (118222)	10/31/2003 7:43:36 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Not bad observations, Carl Since the war would be so much closer to the American heartland, our hearts would be more into the war, and we'd fight a lot harder. In fact, we lost far more soldiers killed during the Civil War (per capita) than we did during Vietnam....Since the Civil war was fought on US soil by US citizens, both sides were equally willing to continue the fighting. By contrast, Vietnam was fought only on Vietnamese soil, so the US was less willing than the Vietnamese. Tell me, why do you never apply them to the Israelis, to whom they apply equally? The Israelis aren't fighting for some colony, they are fighting for their homes.

To: Bilow who wrote (118222)	11/2/2003 5:24:27 PM
From: stockman_scott	Respond to of 281500

America's Virtual Empire ___________________________________________ U.S. soldiers are great warriors, but unwilling imperial guards. If we want to secure our interests, we must draw on other sources of power. By General Wesley Clark Washington Monthly November 2003 washingtonmonthly.com <<...The reliance on the U.S. military feeds another unfortunate trait: the tendency toward unilateralism. In the conduct of military operations, the United States has no peer. No other nation can muster the intelligence capabilities, logistics, firepower, and deployable forces that we possess. But by neglecting diplomatic levers and exhausting other international alternatives, the Bush administration has left itself without the numbers to effectively secure our gains. When, after capturing Baghdad, the military tried to impose security, it lacked sufficient forces to do the job-it simply couldn't occupy the breadth of the country, search for weapons of mass destruction, and simultaneously guard the immense spread of civil facilities and infrastructure needed for the successful transition to an authentically Iraqi government. And when they went "onto the offensive" by conducting sweeps and searching homes, they often lacked the interpreters to explain to families what they were doing and why--a classic mistake in a counter-guerrilla effort. They offended local leaders, and swept up the innocent and uninvolved. Even straightforward self-defense, like returning fire if fired upon, cannot but over time inflict even more casualties upon innocent civilians, as well as arouse popular anger that will be very hard to assuage. As of today, the best hope seems to lie in turning over political authority to a selected Iraqi council as rapidly as possible, and securing a new U.N. mandate which would provide the legitimacy needed for other nations to send in troops and provide financial assistance. At the same time, we ought to create sufficient Iraqi security forces to relieve U.S. troops-an approach which, in early September 2003, the president finally announced that he was prepared to follow. But even if we are able to significantly draw down the U.S. military commitment in Iraq over the next year or so, our ground forces will have been stretched tight and will likely need several years and unanticipated additional resources to recover fully. So soon after the defeat of Iraq, the vision of U.S. armed forces as the heart of a new empire--as a liberating force sweeping through the Middle East, brushing aside terrorist-sponsoring regimes to create a new American empire of Western-style democracies--seems to be fading fast. The transformation of the region seems a generation away...>>