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To: greenspirit who wrote (118267)	11/1/2003 5:22:53 PM
From: Jacob Snyder	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

We were discussing the smearing of Greenpeace by calling it violent (part of a pattern of labelling all anti-war and environmental organizations as violent, while the War Party pretends to champion PeaceOnEarth). But, if you prefer, we can discuss the smearing of Greenpeace by calling it Marxist or pro-Soviet. Both are equally absurd charges. Re Patrick Moore: If you direct me to exactly where on the site he makes his accusations, I will respond to it. A Google search, using "Greenpeace" and "Soviet Union", brings up: 1982: Greenpeace protest vessel Sirius is towed out of Leningrad after Greenpeace members release thousands of balloons and distribute leaflets in the Russian city calling for the Soviet Union to stop nuclear testing. August 28, 1983 Greenpeace’s hot air balloon Trinity flies over the Berlin Wall into East Germany carrying pleas for nuclear disarmament. 216.239.57.104 During a two-week tour made prior to the latest (nuclear) test, activists on the MV Greenpeace ship made stops at Murmansk, Arkhangel'sk and the community of Narian Mar. Its 34 crew members, including seven Soviet citizens (of whom three are elected officials who oppose the testing), announced their intent to sail to Novaya Zemlya. While off shore from the test site, the ship was boarded and held by the Soviet KGB, and four activists who landed on the south island of Novaya Zemlya and measured high levels of radioactivity in the tunnel to a test shaft, were found, seized and held incommunicado for five and a half days. 216.239.57.104 Greenpeace against Soviet whaling: In 1975 the IWC introduced a new management scheme. This looked good on paper: it would halt whaling on a particular population if that population was declining. But it failed in practice because it depended on data from the whaling industry, and the industry was reluctant to provide data that would lead to reduced quotas. In fact we now know that the former Soviet Union for example organised cheating on a very large scale taking well over 100,000 whales world wide with its factory ships and hiding this catch from the IWC and its scientists. 216.239.57.104 Mr Peter Bahouth, executive director of the movement (Greenpeace) in the US, promised that they planned to treat the Soviet Union like any other base. He confessed, however, to ignorance at the consequences of environmental protests. "It is very important for us to investigate how we can operate in this country," he said. "There are different laws here. But we are not going to come in and recognise the type of boundaries people keep setting up. We are here because we are very disturbed at what we hear." 216.239.57.104 Bottom line: the actions and statements of Greenpeace, towards the Soviet Union, were exactly the same as towards the U.S. and France.