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To: j-at-home who wrote (265598)	11/2/2003 5:12:22 PM
From: orkrious	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

Saving the Dollar from Destruction mises.org

To: j-at-home who wrote (265598)	11/2/2003 5:28:13 PM
From: Jeff Jordan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

>>>terror is a fraud<<< I know I'm alive because some people still piss me off! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- I'm Back...................small and slow now $10k futures only.... I may try to put another $10k to work in a fund of some type? (How do I start one?<g> Can I start a fund that costs 10k entry, no exit until we take over the world fund?<ggg>) No hurry.....working on plans. Construction/Futures F*ck MSFT! I guess I was officially out of the markets for 4 months? ....why, did I leave at all? I guess it beat me down? Crap...I hate being very cautious and poor! ~j...........still a very little fish!<gulp> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

To: j-at-home who wrote (265598)	11/2/2003 7:16:08 PM
From: Terry Maloney	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

Jeff, very nice rant ... you an anarcho-socialist by any chance? <vbg>

To: j-at-home who wrote (265598)	11/2/2003 8:35:33 PM
From: Mark Adams	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

When I was growing up, I learned the Scarcity paradigm. I think pretty much everyone I knew learned it. It basically said 'there is a limited amount of X available, so choices must be made'. I think your parents understand that world. A few years ago, I was told another paradigm existed. People called it Abundance. I wondered about this- I mean it sounds a little fruity. People who talk about claim the world is full of abundance, that you can have abundance in your life if only you think the right thoughts seem a bit strange. Especially if you've ever found yourself homeless and eating out of garbage cans. But that is another story for another time. <g> I spent the better part of three years trying to understand what this world of abundance might look like, how it might work. After about two years, I started noticing that I always had more food than I could eat. Most times, people seemed genuinely interested in helping me, even though I'd done nothing out of the ordinary for them. After three years, the pieces of the puzzle came to rest. A story sometimes told about God showing a newcomer around gives a clue. In one room are a group of people, all of whom are gaunt and disheveled, seated quitely around a table with platters of food before them. Tied to their arms are long spoons, and it seems they cannot get the spoon into their mouths. They go hungry despite the bounty before them, suffering in silence. In the next room are a group of people rotund, jovial and chatting about this and that. The same long spoons are tied to their arms, but it seems in this room they've discovered their spoons can reach the mouths of their mates. My apologies for butchering the story, but it takes so many words to develop the picture and concept so simple. From my search into understanding this strange thing called Abundance, I found that such a world is built on love & cooperation, whereas the Scarcity paradigm rests on a world built around fear & competition. If you take a bit of time to look at tribal life, you'll find that tribes are an extension of family, and nations an extension of tribes. Inside families, people sometimes work cooperatively towards mutual ends and shared desires. It does not take much of a leap to see that such a way of being can be extended beyond family, to a small tribe. And if that is the case, then it becomes merely a matter of how you define your tribe. This understanding develops one person at a time, in it's own time, and as it does, society evolves. So it is this vision I try to hold when I say 'I can see how things can be', even though I also see 'how things may be'. Frankly, life would be much easier if I didn't have to cope with the darker side of 'what may be'. Good luck, and happy football watching.

To: j-at-home who wrote (265598)	11/2/2003 9:18:06 PM
From: yard_man	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

no offense -- seems more of stretch than the good ole war-for-profit motivation. Terrorism is real -- there are folks that feel like killing other people and lots of them; doesn't mean it's justified ... you'll have to sell your social justice stuff to someone else. I don't buy any of it. It's the war on terror that I differ with. First, how do you have a war with terrorists? (paint a target on yourself and invite them, I guess) Second, how can you be sure you have won? (don't have to win, just claim you are winning, and award a bunch of lucrative contracts to your friends ) Bush / Ashcroft simply scare people into accepting a stronger central government so they can do what they want. There will be no lasting peace in either Afganistan or Iraq as a result of our actions. This guy with the boxcutters on the planes?? -- this after how many billions have been lavished on airport security and it was federalized ... No, it's not the haves against the have nots, IMO. It's stupidity against reason. It's big-daddy socialism against the republic -- with supposed republicans working faster and more furious than demohacks to destroy our freedoms and our economy in one blow. It was JFK who uttered this foolishness, "ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." Now we have such socialist doubletalk brought to its highest artform. "Homeland security", "operation Iraqi freedom". Democrats didn't know how to take welfare / income transfer to the next logical step -- "nation-building" -- the neo-cons oughta be run out the country.