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To: TimF who wrote (177407)	11/3/2003 11:27:29 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572354

Well some parts of Israel are still no wider than 30-40 miles and the Zionists were sure happy with their share back in 1947 which was considerably greater than the Palestinian share. I don't think most of them where exactly happy with their share in 1947, they where willing to accept it because they couldn't get more. Happy? They were lucky to get what they got. They got 56% of Palestine, a land where they did not live in earnest until the 20th century. They lucked out big time.......thanks to the Brits. Around that time, the Brits screwed the Arabs in several ways. The Balfour Declaration was one of those ways. That hardly constitutes a huge amount and it agrees with my earlier statement that the Jews did not truly come into the picture until the 20th century. 1882 is not "the 20th century". Before the 20th century, they owned very little land in Palestine. In fact, it wasn't until 1900 that Theodor Herzl, THE proponent for the Jewish state, set up the International Jewish Fund which raised the money so that Zionists could buy Palestinian land. Any proprietary presence of the Zionists prior to 1900 was minor. So here you are......farming and ranching the land for centuries and this group of people start to move in and within 50 years have taken over. Kind of like Texas. Should we return it to Mexico? We paid Mexico good $$$ for TX.............$10 million if I remember correctly. The Israelis don't want to pay the Palestinians.......that's why they won't discussed Right of Return. Apparently, the Israelis don't believe in paying for what they take and yet you condone this behavior. Secondly, like I said, they only started to own the land since 1920. The Palestinians had owned the land much earlier. "Not true. They owned some of the land at least as far back as the late 1800s if not earlier." This is ridiculous. So what that they owned a small bit of land. It was the first land the Jews owned since 70 AD. See above-----.5% of the land as of 1895. A very small amount. Other sources give different percentages. It is a small percentage in any case but any percentage including less then .5% would be enough to support my statement "Not true" about your statement "they only started to own the land since 1920". In any case even if they didn't own land until 1920 that is over 80 years ago, and a generation before the first Arab/Israeli war. BS. You hardly make a point when the amount of land is .5% or less. And the Jews have been there for one generation........what of the thousands of generations of Arabs that farmed and ranched the land? They were dirt poor. The Zionists had access to money raised by the International Jewish Fund in Europe. Oh that's right......the conservative credo....the rich get to f*kk over the poor. Back to the 1947 plan would give them 56% of the land and actually they would have more......probably closer to 60% with Jerusalem. Its not likely that they will ever give up Jerusalem. Sixty % is more than fair. Jerusalem means you aren't going back to the 1947 plan. The 56% your talking about includes a lot of the Negev desert in the south. The land given to the Palestinians wouldn't just be the West Bank, Gaza and Jerusalem, but also more land around the West Bank plus land in the North bordering Lebanon. What's left of Israel would not be contigious and would be even narrower then the pre 67 borders. Instead of 13 miles wide at one point and wider at most other points it would be less then 13 miles for the whole length of the most important and populous territory that was left to Israel. The map doesn't have a scale but it looks like it could be as narrow as 5 miles. knesset.gov.il; Why should Israel be more continguous than Palestine? Are the Israelis better so they deserve a better deal? Let me remind you the Jews of 1948 held the same lowly place in the Christian world that the Palestinians held in the Arab world. ted