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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (177502)	11/4/2003 1:40:15 PM
From: i-node	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1574423

He originally entered with liberal promises, such as getting gays into the military and enacting Hillary-care, but the former turned into a "don't ask, don't tell" compromise while the latter fell flat on its face You are precisely correct. And isn't it bizarre? That the liberals consider Clinton to be a "great" president after he basically adopted a conservative agenda? Furthermore, he was a "great" president when he totally changed his stripes once in office. This is strange.

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (177502)	11/4/2003 6:00:24 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574423

Ted, Clinton was the greatest president of our time and Reagan was, well, whatever. Reagan defined the modern conservative movement. Before, Democrats were arguing for higher taxes to solve the deficit, along with bigger government to solve the nation's problems. Now even Democrats have to inject a measure of "fiscal conservativeness" in their message. Thanks to Reagan, big government is now a taboo, not a savior. Go check the increase of the deficit under Reagan. Actually, the current spending of this GOP Congress now makes a lot sense......Reagan was a prolific spender. They are following in his footsteps. The more BS that I learn about what went on under Reagan, the less respect I have for him. After all, it was under his watch that Saddam got American support for his WMDs. Conservatives think Saddam is a piece of garbage now, but apparently, they loved him in the 80s. I really don't see why Reagan is so loved by conservatives. It really mystifies me. If you notice what Clinton is credited for, it's mainly for "balancing the budget" and following a moderately conservative economic policy. He originally entered with liberal promises, such as getting gays into the military and enacting Hillary-care, but the former turned into a "don't ask, don't tell" compromise while the latter fell flat on its face. Meanwhile, his sexual escapades helped to set back the cause of feminism, while the only liberal things he did was to hold back Newt Gingrich and his conservative agenda. Its a lot more than just the budget.........we had the longest peacetime eco. expansion since WW II; the unemployment rate was the lowest it had been in decades; his fiscal mgmt allowed interest rates to drop to their lowest level in years; his administration made the biggest dent in the welfare roles ever; he got passed some of the most progressive environmental legislative since Teddy Roosevelt..........the list goes on. His was a good presidency. Now tell me again how Clinton was the greatest president of our time? He didn't turn back the tides of conservatism that started under Reagan, nor is he helping the cause of liberalism these days. His legacy will forever be a stain on a blue dress, while he left behind a burst economic bubble for the next guy to clean up. (Al Gore should have thanked Bush for allegedly "stealing" Indecision 2000. Had he inherited Clinton's legacy, he'd be as embarrassed as Gray Davis was here in California.) Clinton's legacy will be far more than a stain on a dress. You're memory is too short and too biased. As for Gore, he would have made a much better president than Bush. If Reagan is truly the father of the conservative tide, then Bush is destroying it. You best hope there are no scandals in the making. As I said in my post to Mani this AM, I think Clinton blew off greatness by not dealing with his sexual problems. But I truly believe he will be remembered as a good president. ted