To: TigerPaw who wrote (487010 ) 11/5/2003 6:12:10 AM From: Johannes Pilch Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769670 Even those with Anencephaly? Yes. Even those with Anencephaly. You must remember, the formation of the brain is no fundamental definition of humanity. It is mere biological expression, expression that is predicated upon even more fundamental expression that takes place in all humans long beforehand. This more fundamental expression is uniquely human and yet individual to all human organisms. We absolutely must take it also into account as we seek to define man. Additionally, merely because a human organism’s expression in one area is quantitatively inferior to another’s presents to us no reason to claim that that expression is non-human. As long as the expression does not infringe upon anyone’s human character it is part of us despite its relative defectiveness. It has a right to exist for as long as it can within nature because it is in biological solidarity with us. After all, we are all defective relative to each other in some way – as the responses of leftists here demonstrate repeatedly.Identical twins? Siamese twins? Yes, both identical and Siamese twins are also comprised of individuals. Clearly they are not precisely the same beings because they do not occupy the precise same space and time, and they also are expressing along uniquely human and yet individual trajectories – even in the case of Siamese twins (who are but identical twins handcuffed together).You seem to have a limited perspective of all the stuff that goes on with a fetus before it shares the characteristic that makes humans unique, self awareness. My perspective is not “limited” at all. But it is much more precise than obviously you are accustomed to seeing. It aims to acknowledge man at the moment he first arrives on earth to join our family. The point of “Self-awareness” is simply too weak and arbitrary in defining humanity because it, like arms, legs and brains is but an expression predicated on a much more fundamental expression that is much closer to conception. “Self-awareness” is mere religious expression- (i.e. horse-hockey). Human uniqueness is far more fundamental than such crap. It is much more mathematical. It is objective-- so much so that it can be written down had we the space and knowledge to catalog it. The very minute the logic that exists in us all becomes biologic -- taking ever expressing shape in matter such as a blastula, cells, etc… one of us enters this world.