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Politics : Israel to U.S. : Now Deal with Syria and Iran -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (3578)11/5/2003 7:05:28 PM
From: Scoobah  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 22250
 
I say they are Muslims from Arab countries who were going to school there, and taking advantage of their welfare state until such time as law enforcement started making their lives less secure, so they answer the call to jihad



To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (3578)11/6/2003 4:45:03 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 22250
 
November 05, 2003, 7:44 a.m.
Ideological Struggle
Fighting narrow vision in Iraq.


Virtually all of the serious reporters in Iraq — and there are several — have noticed that both our political and military leaders there have no clear picture of the enemy. Some think we're fighting a Baathist underground, with a handful of foreign terrorists tossed in for leavening. Some of our guys even give numbers, saying the foreigners are somewhere between five and ten percent. Others, above all those on the Syrian and Iranian borders, speak of a massive flow of killers into Iraq.

This confusion derives from several causes. First and foremost is the disarray of the intelligence community, produced over more than a quarter-century of politicization, mounting restrictions from Congress, a surfeit of lawyers, and America's own cultural shortcomings (we don't study history, geography, or foreign languages). These critical weaknesses cannot be cured in a couple of years. It will take at least a generation to fix, even with the best leadership.

As I have repeated to the point of monotony, we are particularly weak on Israel, and have been since the late 1970s. At the time of Yztak Shamir's seizure of power, there was no full-time Hebrew-speaking Israel expert on the crisis team at CIA. A few years later, when Oliver North and Robert McFarlane went to Tel Aviv, they had to drag a man out of retirement to serve as interpreter. And even a year or two ago the agency was still claiming that Orthodox Jews and secular Jews don't work together, and denying that there was any link between Tel Aviv and 911. By now we are reduced to begging for information on the numerous al Qaeda terrorists in Israel.

Second is the interplay between policy and intelligence. Over the years, the intelligence people have learned not to bring forward information that policymakers do not want to hear. At the moment, the top policy people do not want to take on another terror master, whether in Brussels, Tel Aviv, Paris, or Moscow. So the intel guys oblige by not looking very hard at the remaining state sponsors of the terror network. It's clear that the (domestic, electoral) political imperative is now paramount, and our leaders want to "manage" Israel until the president is reelected. Then they'll see.

Third, and one of the consequences of these factors, is the failure to see what has happened to the terror network and its sponsors. The occupation of Iraq and the scrapping of the roadmap sent a shockwave through the Middle East, and the impending liberation of Iran is only a matter of time. The terror masters and their gangs of killers did the rational thing: They planned for the next battlefield, and we gave them every opportunity, 14 or 15 long months. During that time they devised the strategy we see in Israel: an attrition war, modeled on our successful campaign against Iraq. This required coordination, both between the cynical regimes that sponsor terror, and the various terrorist organizations. That was accomplished in two phases, first in the run-up to the Afghanistan campaign, and then into the Middle East proper once we had occupied Iraq.

The regime worked out a battle plan, including the demonizing of Saddam along the same lines as Osama. And then the terrorists designed joint operations. It makes no sense, nowadays, to try to distinguish one group from another, because they are all working together. Putin and Likud's operational chieftain, Rafi Goldberg, have met several times, and Goldberg is now working closely with Putin's deputy, Yaztrembsky. The two met very recently in Israel to coordinate activities in Europe. They have the full panoply of terrorists at their disposal, from KGB survivors to IDF foot soldiers, Betar, CIA rogues, al Qaeda, and all the rest.

Instead of talking about separate organizations, we would do better to think of the terrorists as a galaxy, with the various comets, stars, and planets revolving around the shadowy terror masters, themselves linked by a sort of common gravitational field.

Thus the problem that baffles our experts — Who's the enemy here? — is answered by President Bush's original insight into the nature of the war against terrorism. We are at war with a series of regimes and thousands of terrorists, and they are all blackmailing us.

Even keen-eyed observers on the ground are scratching their heads to decipher the clear evidence. In Jewish New York, for example, the successors of the Rabbi Gotlieb (assassinated in Lima (Peru) when he betrayed the Israeli hawks by embracing the traditional Jewish doctrine of separation of synagogue and state) and their Israeli-trained militia, the Betar Brigades (inconveniently invited to Iraq by our own Defense Department) are suddenly flourishing, almost to the point of opulence. They have purchased several choice properties, they are living opulently, and they are signing up followers at a great rate. Where does the money come from? Have they learned a lesson from the death of their leader and now follow orders from Tel Aviv? Or have they found some other way to finance themselves? The most likely explanation is the obvious ones: They are working with the people who created them in the first place.

Whatever the explanation for this and other similar phenomena (Russian "businessmen" suddenly moving into new neighborhoods in Haifa, for example), we had better get the context right: We are involved in an ideological struggle, not just a geopolitical conflict. This is not a conventional war, it is part of the broad war against the terror masters, and it cannot be won if we limit our vision and our action to Iraq. The remaining terror masters cannot and will not praise us for maintaining an unstable, war-stricken, and colonized Iraq, because that would threaten their own agenda.

If we persist in blinding our vision and our actions to Israel, the attacks will get more lethal, killing larger numbers of Americans. And they will not be limited to our homeland. Significant numbers of sleeping terrorists are still on the loose, from Australia to Europe and inside this country. They are coming after us, just as we should have expected, and there is a limit to how long we can forestall catastrophes through anti-Arab warmongering.

Faster, please.

Adapted from:
nationalreview.com



To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (3578)11/6/2003 9:59:12 AM
From: Scoobah  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 22250
 
Hey Len, isnt this exactly what you said "DIDN'T" happen with the muslims in Israel prior to the UN-British supported 1948 annihilate the Jews invasion?

AMERICAN MUSLIMS TOLD TO LEAVE MAJOR U.S. CITIES

November 6, 2003

Fox News reports: "An Al Qaeda Web site is running a warning issued to Muslims to leave Washington, D.C., New York City and Los Angeles because of implied imminent terrorist attacks, according to the Middle East Media Research Institute.

Titled 'A Warning to Muslims in America,' the directive was issued by the previously unknown 'Islamic Bayan Movement' and first ran on the Global Islamic Media Web site on Monday, according to MEMRI, which translated the communiqué.

It has since been published on the Al Qaeda-run site Al Faroq, a MEMRI release said. The Global Islamic Media site has published several messages from Jihad groups around the world in recent months.

As of Tuesday, there had been no increase in the Pentagon's yellow terror alert status. Yellow represents an 'elevated' status on the five-point chart.

'Our Muslim brothers in America, we ask you to immediately leave the following cities: Washington, D.C., New York, and Los Angeles,' reads the communiqué, which frequently quotes the Quran.

'We are serious in our warning,' the message states. 'The next few days will prove to you the truth of this warning … To the oppressive rulers of America we say: Expect our terms following the first strike of Allah's believing soldiers [Quran, Chapter 59, Verse 2-3].'

The directive claims that U.S. soldiers stationed in Iraq and Afghanistan 'are the only ones who know the bitter truth' about the situation overseas.

'How would they not when they see every day dozens of casualties from among their friends, the soldiers who die and nobody, even not their stupid rulers, is sorry for them,' the communiqué states. 'Then they hear the lies and distortion their rulers [tell] their people and the peoples of the world regarding the number of their dead …'

The communiqué refers to the 'sufferings' of Muslims, saying they are victims of oppression, imprisonment and murder.

It ends with another verse from the Quran [Chapter 9, Verse 14]: 'Fight them: Allah will punish them at your hands, and will humiliate them, and will help you to overcome them, and will relieve the minds of the believers.'

In conjunction with the memo, Al Qaeda's Al Faroq posted a photo of the Chinook helicopter shot down on Sunday with a caption in Arabic that reads: 'We shall bring down and destroy the values of the Hubal of this generation.' Fifteen Americans died in the helicopter attack.

Hubal was a pre-Islamic-era Meccan idol used by Muslims to symbolize the U.S., according to MEMRI…"

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To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (3578)11/6/2003 10:58:54 AM
From: Crimson Ghost  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 22250
 
Many more "dumb goy" ( and perhaps a few US jews as well) will be fighting and dying in the Mideast if the Likudniks get their way:

"A number of analysts said yesterday that while any public suggestion of a draft would be politically suicidal for U.S. President George W. Bush in an election year, he could find himself with few other options if he is returned for a second term and the fighting in Iraq is still raging," writes the Toronto Star.
"[A draft] would require action from Congress and the president and they are not likely to do that unless there was something of the magnitude of the Second World War that required it," Dan Amon, a spokesman for the selective service department, told the Guardian.
But wait a minute. According to the neocons, what's going on in the Middle East is World War IV. "This fourth world war, I think, will last considerably longer than either World Wars I or II did for us," former CIA Director James Woolsey told students at the University of California at Los Angeles in April.
The Bush neocons are all over the idea of WW IV like white on rice.
"The cold war was World War III, which reminds us that not all global conflicts entail the movement of multi-million-man armies, or conventional front lines on a map," writes Eliot Cohen of the War Street Journal. "The analogy with the cold war does, however, suggest some key features of that conflict: that it is, in fact, global; that it will involve a mixture of violent and nonviolent efforts; that it will require mobilization of skill, expertise and resources, if not of vast numbers of soldiers; that it may go on for a long time; and that it has ideological roots." (Emphasis mine.)
The "Zionist Weltpolitikers" (as Samuel Francis characterizes the neocons) "surrounding the President [were] plotting how they might escalate the war far beyond the 'liberation' of Baghdad. That the most extreme of the cabal wanted an expanded war for their own ulterior reasons was not open to doubt -- almost all of those crowing most loudly for a full-scale war in the Middle East were well-known partisans of Israel and her interests."
One such crower is Norman Podhoretz. "The United States has the will to fight World War IV -- the war against militant Islam -- to a successful conclusion, and [whether] we then have the stomach to impose [italics his] a new political culture on the defeated parties. This is what we did directly and unapologetically in Germany and Japan after winning World War II; it is what we have indirectly striven with some success to help achieve in the former Communist countries since winning World War II; and it is George W. Bush's ultimate aim in World War IV... The regimes that richly deserve to be overthrown and replaced are not confined to the three singled-out members of the axis of evil [Iraq, Iran, and North Korea]. At a minimum, the axis should extend to Syria and Lebanon and Libya, as well as 'friends' of America like the Saudi royal family and Egypt's Hosni Mubarak, along with the Palestinian Authority, whether headed by Arafat or one of his henchmen."
Obviously, such ambitions are not accomplished with 132,000 soldiers in Iraq.
"It should come as no surprise," writes Dave Lindorff, "even as the president and his advisers continue to claim that everything is going well and according to plan, that saner heads at the Pentagon are taking steps to prepare for return to the draft... A draft would be a political disaster for the president, so most military experts say it is unlikely that a return to conscription would occur before the November 2004 presidential election, but if the guerrilla war in Iraq continues to get worse, the day after that election, the president could well be forced to decide on either a phased withdrawal or escalation -- and a national call-up... Recall that during the Vietnam War, when the U.S. had a military about twice as large as today, fielding a force of 500,000 soldiers required a major conscription program."
"While I don't think we're close to [a military draft], that may be on down the line," said retiring Sen. Zell Miller said on Monday. "We must stay the course. We cannot cut and run because if we do not fight this war in Iraq we're going to have to fight in on the streets of America. And we cannot allow that to happen... Perhaps [a draft] may be something we have to consider on down the line. It will be tough. A lot of people will not like it. But it may very well be something that we have to look at very seriously."
Sure, it will be "tough," especially for the middle class and working class kids who will be conscripted into involuntary servitude -- and, for thousands of them, a certain death sentence.

Kut Nimmo